techcrunch.com/2020/04/23/apple-said-to-sell-macs-powered-by-in-house-arm-based-chips-as-early-as-2021

macworld.com/article/3532902/why-apple-should-switch-macs-over-from-intel-to-amd.html

Apple is making a Macbook with a 12 core ARM SOC that will be based on the IPad Pro SOC

They also have code showing support for AMD chips, seems like they could switch to AMD chips in high end Pro stuff and then use the ARM chips in smaller machines

Update: Seems like Apple isn’t going to use AMD now and will just switch to ARM by 2022

Will be amazing to have 12-16 core laptops that have way better battery lives, can't wait for the 16 inch!

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Apple A13 chips are outperforming real laptop chips without any type of cooling

imagine a bigger one of those in an iMac or MacBook with active cooling

would be goat

the only downside to ditching intel would be losing Windows tho

I think they'll do AMD for the high end stuff at first before doing the ARM based stuff in the Pro models

cause lack of x86-64 will make it so they have to wait for all the software developers to make ARM versions of all their Apps which will take at least 2-3 years

the lower end products won't need the x86 support right away so they'll do those first

so BootCamp will still work on the higher end models if they stick with AMD

also the good news is that Microsoft has working ARM based Windows their just is barely any software out for ARM Windows yet but once they make it for Mac OS they'll make it for Windows imo

Yeah IIRC the latest macOS update had support for ryzen in the source code

it seems like they want to try different ways of making this happen

It's clear they want more professional apps on the iPad. With this Catalina update they've been trying to get iOS apps on Mac. It seems like they want some type of universality between their computers, phones and tablet software, something that Microsoft tried and failed at in the past

imo they should just put ARM on their laptops and leave AMD or Intel on desktops. Or maybe even ARM on the MacBook and MacBook Air, and keep x86 on the MacBook pros too

I mean, the main reason they're going with ARM is for battery life right?

Intel has been having a rough couple of years lol.

I can a lot of the low-end macbooks having ARM chips and then by the end of the decade we'll see the high-end Macbooks having ARM chips.

I highly doubt we'll see ARM in their desktop anytime soon though. I can see them going the AMD route though which would be a huge score for AMD since AMD is their main graphics provider already. They could proudly say Mac's are all AMD.

there are 3 main reasons as far as I know, yeah the battery is far better but also Intel charges 10 times what Apple would pay for Chipsets and CPUs

Apple could cut the prices of all their Machines and still make a bigger profit

the other thing is heat and machine thinness, Apple seems to sacrifice performance for thinness but with an ARM based chip that wouldn't be an issue

even AMDs chips generate half the heat of Intel's though at this point cause Intel is stuck 4 years ago in terms of CPU tech

yeah exactly they'll do the Air or another Macbook first and then leave the Pro Macbooks as x86 for a while to come but I just don't see how Apple is going to stick with Intel when they're known to overcharge and are far worse in terms of power and performance now

unless they have some kinda deal with Intel that forces them to only use Intel CPUs in their Computers

Rest of the tech world will have to use Qualcomm CPUs tho

its crazy only 3 american companies design ARM based CPUs in mass production

Nvidia, Apple and Qualcomm

I imagine that once everything shifts from x86 to ARM more companies will be forced to design chips tho

I know AMD has been working on some ARM based stuff and Intel has but they failed so badly that they gave up for now

Google and Amazon do also but only for use in their own data centers

Wait for next years macbook

Yeah I hope so cause Qualcomm doesn't even care that much about custom CPU design anymore

Amazon's Graviton2 isn't even that bad apparently (for what it's supposed to do) so I guess maybe 5-6 years down the line we could see some surprising results

This will be interesting. It will probably be boring to watch IRL, But I'm intrigued to see how tf are they gonna pull this off? How are they gonna get Thunderbolt, PCI Express, ECC RAM support, AVX-512 and all of that to work on their own chips, while still being as fast as Intel

lol itll take a decade before everything supports arm

plot twist, intel and amd switch to arm circa 2028

and here we go

BREAKING: Apple to ditch Intel and use its own chips - CNBC

Also Apple's market cap ($1.5T) is now bigger than the economy of Russia. Apple ain’t playing fair at all

seems like there skipping amd support and going straight to arm

i imagine that all the macbooks, imac (none pro) and minis will get the arm based chips by next year

the other lines will be in 2022

i’m definitely for a fast switch, the fragmentation of running x86 and arm would suck

powerpc support was pretty s*** after apple switched to intel

even if apple claims that they’ll support x86 for years i wouldn’t trust it being good support maybe i’ll be proven wrong tho

they’ve been working on these chips for years with this goal in mind

they’ve had cpu legends like jim keller help perfect their silicon, imo these chips will easily desroy intel in the coming 2 years

even in desktops with all those added things
also apple will use arm based AISCs in high end machines to accelerate CPU intensive tasks

can't wait for the 32 core arm based chips in the mac pro

Since their developer kit is a mac mini, it should have most of those features it will be interesting to see how it works

yeah i’m definitely very interested to see how all that stuff plus the x86 app support is once devs start getting their mac minis

AMD BOYZ WHERE WE AT

imagine gaming on a mac lol