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  • Updated Jun 27, 2020

    techcrunch.com/2020/04/23/apple-said-to-sell-macs-powered-by-in-house-arm-based-chips-as-early-as-2021

    macworld.com/article/3532902/why-apple-should-switch-macs-over-from-intel-to-amd.html

    Apple is making a Macbook with a 12 core ARM SOC that will be based on the IPad Pro SOC

    They also have code showing support for AMD chips, seems like they could switch to AMD chips in high end Pro stuff and then use the ARM chips in smaller machines

    Update: Seems like Apple isn’t going to use AMD now and will just switch to ARM by 2022

    Will be amazing to have 12-16 core laptops that have way better battery lives, can't wait for the 16 inch!

  • Apr 23, 2020

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    Apple A13 chips are outperforming real laptop chips without any type of cooling

    imagine a bigger one of those in an iMac or MacBook with active cooling

    would be goat

  • Apr 23, 2020

    the only downside to ditching intel would be losing Windows tho

  • Apr 23, 2020
    Monster

    the only downside to ditching intel would be losing Windows tho

    I think they'll do AMD for the high end stuff at first before doing the ARM based stuff in the Pro models

    cause lack of x86-64 will make it so they have to wait for all the software developers to make ARM versions of all their Apps which will take at least 2-3 years

    the lower end products won't need the x86 support right away so they'll do those first

    so BootCamp will still work on the higher end models if they stick with AMD

    also the good news is that Microsoft has working ARM based Windows their just is barely any software out for ARM Windows yet but once they make it for Mac OS they'll make it for Windows imo

  • Apr 24, 2020
    Neon

    I think they'll do AMD for the high end stuff at first before doing the ARM based stuff in the Pro models

    cause lack of x86-64 will make it so they have to wait for all the software developers to make ARM versions of all their Apps which will take at least 2-3 years

    the lower end products won't need the x86 support right away so they'll do those first

    so BootCamp will still work on the higher end models if they stick with AMD

    also the good news is that Microsoft has working ARM based Windows their just is barely any software out for ARM Windows yet but once they make it for Mac OS they'll make it for Windows imo

    Yeah IIRC the latest macOS update had support for ryzen in the source code

    it seems like they want to try different ways of making this happen

    It's clear they want more professional apps on the iPad. With this Catalina update they've been trying to get iOS apps on Mac. It seems like they want some type of universality between their computers, phones and tablet software, something that Microsoft tried and failed at in the past

    imo they should just put ARM on their laptops and leave AMD or Intel on desktops. Or maybe even ARM on the MacBook and MacBook Air, and keep x86 on the MacBook pros too

    I mean, the main reason they're going with ARM is for battery life right?

  • Apr 24, 2020

    Intel has been having a rough couple of years lol.

    I can a lot of the low-end macbooks having ARM chips and then by the end of the decade we'll see the high-end Macbooks having ARM chips.

    I highly doubt we'll see ARM in their desktop anytime soon though. I can see them going the AMD route though which would be a huge score for AMD since AMD is their main graphics provider already. They could proudly say Mac's are all AMD.

  • Apr 24, 2020
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    Monster

    Yeah IIRC the latest macOS update had support for ryzen in the source code

    it seems like they want to try different ways of making this happen

    It's clear they want more professional apps on the iPad. With this Catalina update they've been trying to get iOS apps on Mac. It seems like they want some type of universality between their computers, phones and tablet software, something that Microsoft tried and failed at in the past

    imo they should just put ARM on their laptops and leave AMD or Intel on desktops. Or maybe even ARM on the MacBook and MacBook Air, and keep x86 on the MacBook pros too

    I mean, the main reason they're going with ARM is for battery life right?

    there are 3 main reasons as far as I know, yeah the battery is far better but also Intel charges 10 times what Apple would pay for Chipsets and CPUs

    Apple could cut the prices of all their Machines and still make a bigger profit

    the other thing is heat and machine thinness, Apple seems to sacrifice performance for thinness but with an ARM based chip that wouldn't be an issue

    even AMDs chips generate half the heat of Intel's though at this point cause Intel is stuck 4 years ago in terms of CPU tech

    yeah exactly they'll do the Air or another Macbook first and then leave the Pro Macbooks as x86 for a while to come but I just don't see how Apple is going to stick with Intel when they're known to overcharge and are far worse in terms of power and performance now

    unless they have some kinda deal with Intel that forces them to only use Intel CPUs in their Computers

  • Apr 26, 2020

    Rest of the tech world will have to use Qualcomm CPUs tho

  • May 17, 2020
    Papi

    Rest of the tech world will have to use Qualcomm CPUs tho

    its crazy only 3 american companies design ARM based CPUs in mass production

    Nvidia, Apple and Qualcomm

    I imagine that once everything shifts from x86 to ARM more companies will be forced to design chips tho

    I know AMD has been working on some ARM based stuff and Intel has but they failed so badly that they gave up for now

    Google and Amazon do also but only for use in their own data centers

  • May 18, 2020

    Wait for next years macbook

  • May 19, 2020
    Neon

    its crazy only 3 american companies design ARM based CPUs in mass production

    Nvidia, Apple and Qualcomm

    I imagine that once everything shifts from x86 to ARM more companies will be forced to design chips tho

    I know AMD has been working on some ARM based stuff and Intel has but they failed so badly that they gave up for now

    Google and Amazon do also but only for use in their own data centers

    Yeah I hope so cause Qualcomm doesn't even care that much about custom CPU design anymore

    Amazon's Graviton2 isn't even that bad apparently (for what it's supposed to do) so I guess maybe 5-6 years down the line we could see some surprising results

  • Jun 22, 2020

    This will be interesting. It will probably be boring to watch IRL, But I'm intrigued to see how tf are they gonna pull this off? How are they gonna get Thunderbolt, PCI Express, ECC RAM support, AVX-512 and all of that to work on their own chips, while still being as fast as Intel

  • Jun 22, 2020

    lol itll take a decade before everything supports arm

  • Jun 22, 2020
    Monster

    This will be interesting. It will probably be boring to watch IRL, But I'm intrigued to see how tf are they gonna pull this off? How are they gonna get Thunderbolt, PCI Express, ECC RAM support, AVX-512 and all of that to work on their own chips, while still being as fast as Intel

    plot twist, intel and amd switch to arm circa 2028

  • Jun 22, 2020

    and here we go

  • Jun 22, 2020

    BREAKING: Apple to ditch Intel and use its own chips - CNBC

    Also Apple's market cap ($1.5T) is now bigger than the economy of Russia. Apple ain’t playing fair at all

  • Jun 22, 2020

    seems like there skipping amd support and going straight to arm

    i imagine that all the macbooks, imac (none pro) and minis will get the arm based chips by next year

    the other lines will be in 2022

    i’m definitely for a fast switch, the fragmentation of running x86 and arm would suck

  • Jun 22, 2020

    powerpc support was pretty s*** after apple switched to intel

    even if apple claims that they’ll support x86 for years i wouldn’t trust it being good support maybe i’ll be proven wrong tho

  • Jun 22, 2020
    Monster

    This will be interesting. It will probably be boring to watch IRL, But I'm intrigued to see how tf are they gonna pull this off? How are they gonna get Thunderbolt, PCI Express, ECC RAM support, AVX-512 and all of that to work on their own chips, while still being as fast as Intel

    they’ve been working on these chips for years with this goal in mind

    they’ve had cpu legends like jim keller help perfect their silicon, imo these chips will easily desroy intel in the coming 2 years

    even in desktops with all those added things
    also apple will use arm based AISCs in high end machines to accelerate CPU intensive tasks

  • Jun 22, 2020
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    can't wait for the 32 core arm based chips in the mac pro

  • Jun 22, 2020
    Neon

    they’ve been working on these chips for years with this goal in mind

    they’ve had cpu legends like jim keller help perfect their silicon, imo these chips will easily desroy intel in the coming 2 years

    even in desktops with all those added things
    also apple will use arm based AISCs in high end machines to accelerate CPU intensive tasks

    Since their developer kit is a mac mini, it should have most of those features it will be interesting to see how it works

  • Jun 22, 2020
    Monster

    Since their developer kit is a mac mini, it should have most of those features it will be interesting to see how it works

    yeah i’m definitely very interested to see how all that stuff plus the x86 app support is once devs start getting their mac minis

  • Jun 22, 2020

    AMD BOYZ WHERE WE AT

  • Jun 23, 2020
    Triplesss

    AMD BOYZ WHERE WE AT

  • Jun 23, 2020

    imagine gaming on a mac lol

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