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  • Is it possible that by creating paywalls and limiting access to information, information perhaps in which working class people cannot afford to have monthly access too, we have subsequently and at least partly, created the vortex and influx of misinformation we see being disseminated throughout the internet, to the masses, to be read and understood as fact today? Of course, conspiracy theories and misinformation has existed long before us and will likely show itself in one form or another so long as we exist on this planet. I'm just pondering whether or not "quality" or credible information becoming a "luxury" has helped in some way in service of events like the one we saw unfold this past week in Washington.

  • safe 🌐
    Jan 13

    No
    That’s a symptom of the wider issue not the root cause

    The root cause is social media. NY times cant compete with fake clickbait and misinformation - by nature that’s more appealing and social media enables it to spread like wildfire. As a result NY times and s*** have to paywall and the problem just compounds

    But it’s social media that’s the the core of the problem

  • i actually wonder how those survive like who even pays those paywalls

  • Jan 13
    safe

    No
    That’s a symptom of the wider issue not the root cause

    The root cause is social media. NY times cant compete with fake clickbait and misinformation - by nature that’s more appealing and social media enables it to spread like wildfire. As a result NY times and s*** have to paywall and the problem just compounds

    But it’s social media that’s the the core of the problem

    The issue is probably even wider than that tbh lol but I don't want to make this a debate on capitalism. I'm just thinking about how we move forward in a world where access to information is only becoming more readily available, especially if we continue to create this perceptual difference between information that is just out there and information you have to pay for.

  • Jan 13
    WLR Key

    i actually wonder how those survive like who even pays those paywalls

    old rich white people mostly

  • safe 🌐
    Jan 13
    FlyMx

    The issue is probably even wider than that tbh lol but I don't want to make this a debate on capitalism. I'm just thinking about how we move forward in a world where access to information is only becoming more readily available, especially if we continue to create this perceptual difference between information that is just out there and information you have to pay for.

    yea facts
    I think the only way forward on this side of things is social media regulation

    And people can say whatever the f*** they want about free speech and s*** but there’s a blatant misinformation problem that is stemming entirely from social media and it just can’t go unaddressed. I’m not gonna act like I know how best to do it but if you can solve the issues of misinformation and the issues of clickbait then information like The NY Times suddenly starts to become more valued again

  • WLR Key

    i actually wonder how those survive like who even pays those paywalls

    i know some people that pay for paywalled media can’t imagine it. I also said i wouldn’t pay for streaming at one point too though

  • No all of those publications have never been free

  • Classique

    i know some people that pay for paywalled media can’t imagine it. I also said i wouldn’t pay for streaming at one point too though

    Yeah i kinda feel the same way i've never actually payed for a music streaming service because I just don't need to. Mum got us netflix a while ago but I don't even use that much

  • safe 🌐
    Jan 13
    Fundamentals

    No all of those publications have never been free

    I swear NY times at least had a free website

  • Jan 13
    safe

    yea facts
    I think the only way forward on this side of things is social media regulation

    And people can say whatever the f*** they want about free speech and s*** but there’s a blatant misinformation problem that is stemming entirely from social media and it just can’t go unaddressed. I’m not gonna act like I know how best to do it but if you can solve the issues of misinformation and the issues of clickbait then information like The NY Times suddenly starts to become more valued again

    it's wild how social media has become so prevalent within our lives we've almost adopted it as a second mouth where losing your account is almost akin to losing a limb. It's what makes the free speech argument so funny to me because you're not losing your ability to speak freely, just your ability to disseminate information as quickly as possible

  • WLR Key

    i actually wonder how those survive like who even pays those paywalls

    Some colleges/workplaces give a free subscription

  • There’s new outlets who aren’t either too left or right and free.

    You honestly just gotta investigate/ do self research

    Example :Associated Press, Reuters, NPR news, Axios
    ( maybe The Hill and USA Today)

    Honorable mention :Snopes (very helpful when it comes to verify information on the news.

  • Janet

    There’s new outlets who aren’t either too left or right and free.

    You honestly just gotta investigate/ do self research

    Example :Associated Press, Reuters, NPR news, Axios
    ( maybe The Hill and USA Today)

    Honorable mention :Snopes (very helpful when it comes to verify information on the news.

    Yupppp

    You gotta research and form your own opinion because all media is biased

  • Jan 13
    Baby Mahomes

    Yupppp

    You gotta research and form your own opinion because all media is biased

    Media can be bias. We all biases.

    We just need to come with facts.

  • Jan 13
    Janet

    There’s new outlets who aren’t either too left or right and free.

    You honestly just gotta investigate/ do self research

    Example :Associated Press, Reuters, NPR news, Axios
    ( maybe The Hill and USA Today)

    Honorable mention :Snopes (very helpful when it comes to verify information on the news.

    I mentioned this because I work in content creation and that includes a lot of news.

  • Jan 13

    I think it's probably the decades of austerity, the war on labor, the epidemic, etc. Could be the paywalls though. You never know.

  • Jan 13
    Janet

    There’s new outlets who aren’t either too left or right and free.

    You honestly just gotta investigate/ do self research

    Example :Associated Press, Reuters, NPR news, Axios
    ( maybe The Hill and USA Today)

    Honorable mention :Snopes (very helpful when it comes to verify information on the news.

    Snopes

  • Jan 13
    safe

    I swear NY times at least had a free website

    of course nytimes.com/2021/01/13/health/covid-vaccine-johnson-johnson.html

  • josuke
    Jan 13

    Nope. Even if people had access to that it wouldn’t matter because people just want their opinions validated and will discard anything else.

  • Lmao no

  • safe

    I swear NY times at least had a free website

    It was til 2014/15, then they started limiting access

    If you use the Bypass Paywalls extension you can still get access

  • Janet

    There’s new outlets who aren’t either too left or right and free.

    You honestly just gotta investigate/ do self research

    Example :Associated Press, Reuters, NPR news, Axios
    ( maybe The Hill and USA Today)

    Honorable mention :Snopes (very helpful when it comes to verify information on the news.

    AP and Reuters are just agencies tho, they simply report news as it is and then all the actual papers etc repost that news with additional context/opinion

  • Blame trump "fake news" narrative

  • safe

    No
    That’s a symptom of the wider issue not the root cause

    The root cause is social media. NY times cant compete with fake clickbait and misinformation - by nature that’s more appealing and social media enables it to spread like wildfire. As a result NY times and s*** have to paywall and the problem just compounds

    But it’s social media that’s the the core of the problem

    No that's not the root. The issue is people not wanting (or able) to pay for media: music, journalism, series whatever. People feel like it's their right to have access to all of this.

    So they find a way to get what they want, information in this case. NY times indeed can't compete with clickbait outlets but that's because it's more accessable. More accessable because it's free, it's more visible on social media / search engines and because they'll do more marketing tricks because they collect more user data. Last thing is hilarious to me, especially for people saying "who is paying for a newspaper". Everyone is paying for their information, the only difference is in what way. Bet your ass all those shady websites collect a s***load of data which they'll sell next to advertisement. Which of people also say "I dont want ads on my free news source f*** that".

    It's a long ongoing process of the internet making certain things accessable, but also changing people's mentality. I agree clickbait shouldn't be more visible on social media, but that's not the root in my eyes. We need to understand the consequences of information being free, because it's technically not. This goes far wider than just news, because you could make a pretty interesting argument for the music industry. But the argument that news outlets are the ones to blame is bullshit. If you make them accountable, do it because everyone is reporting politics like it's an entertainment show.

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