The belief that they were all running to stop Bernie... just to all drop out to stop Bernie is perhaps the dumbest of them all. I will admit that if Biden wasn’t running, Bernie would probably be the nominee, but that doesn’t mean the system was rigged when Biden showed up, it just means Biden has more support from the democratic voters. The dnc helping people that agree with them isn’t some insidious thing, it just makes sense. If more people voted for bernie he would have won and it wouldn’t have mattered who the dnc wanted more. It’s clear that the republicans would rather have Jeb Bush, or even Marco Rubio over trump, but trump just managed to have more support so they went with him. If Bernie won then the party would still let him be the nominee and back him against trump. But in all of these outcomes, what doesn’t happen is a communist society

1. They have such an ideological bent away from his policies that nearly all of his major proposals enjoy broad support among registered democrats and the elimination of private insurance for a government plan specifically has gotten over 50% of support in every state thats voted for far via exit polls. Again, you don't believe in the role institutions play in shaping opinions so this point is literally lost on you but the fact is the media has made this election nothing more than a referendum on beating trump and continuously gaslighted people into thinking biden, basically hilary 2.0 in terms of policy and in cognitive decline, is the best candidate to do that and that bernie has no shot. this is how you shape public opinion among other things ill address later.

2. So then you agree. The DNC can't allow bernie to win.

3. Not a response to what I said. I said if Bernie had done it, we would have heard about it.

4. Bernie voted for it because of the violence against women act. Like the NRA thing you fail to apply proper context and we aren't talking about the CBC so idk why you bring them up.

5. Now we're pretending fact-checkers are impartial lmao. What makes those fact checkers more reliable than this? theintercept.com/2020/03/17/biden-fact-check-social-security-bankruptcy

Or you know, Biden's own statements. If you're trying to play semantic about freezing vs cuts then this is a lost cause.

6. They did check Bernie. They tried to have a gotcha moment about his call for adjusting social security when they know he meant expand. this is literally a thing that happened.

7. Literally a whole page on his website dedicated to explaining how he pays for it.

8. Uh so now is it we dont a***yze anything or we're too obsessed with class based a***ysis? which is it? And yeah, it's almost as if there isn't a vested interest in keeping people from developing a class-based a***ysis.

9. Pelosi is such a good democratic leader she won't even bring universal healthcare to a floor vote in the house, and wants to means test benefits in a pandemic because she wants to show they can work with republicans, and votes for all of trumps military budgets. Great democratic leadership.

10. And Bernie is the only one running on UHC. Public option =/= not UHC. Biden's plan is estimated, on his own website to insure "more than 97% of americans" please take note of how this doesn't say 100%. If it was universal, that's what it would say. He is admitting that 3%, millions of people, will not have health insurance under his plan. You have to have an awfully f***ed up definition of what universal healthcare is to believe this is universal healthcare.

At the end of the day these democrats and republicans are literally the same outside of a few social issues like gay marriage and abortion
Bernie is a true progressive who would get this country moving in the right direction and would actually benefit the working class. People decided to vote against their own interest though because of “electability”

Also Freezing vs Cuts is not semantics. They are literally not the same thing. He was arguing for freezing all federal spending as an idea.

Bernie does not fully explain how to properly play for his plan. Appealing to "his website lists out how he'll pay for his plan" doesn't negate the fact that the way he intends to pay for it doesn't fully cover the price. Don't make me repeat myself por favor.

Pelosi has the job of making sure every single Senator in moderate states can maintain their seats.
Trump and McConnell wouldn't let any UHC bill through.
Pelosi sending a means tested bill out is so that she can help people now instead of deal with having bills tossed out constantly because a pandemic is an immediate threat.

Please stop projecting your poor leadership skills and inability to work with people onto other people. If you were in Pelosi's position, you would get absolutely nothing done and would consistently lead to the erasure of the Democratic majority in whatever body of congress you worked in.

Bro, a public option is UHC. Are you a f***ing moron? Do you know what UHC means? By your criteria the vast majority of the world is no longer considered to have UHC.

Because the argument in the Intercept is worse than the argument by Politifacts and the WaPo. The Intercept also doesn't mention Biden's entire congressional record and doesn't give a holistic viewing on his view of social security and keeps implying Biden is talking about cuts when he never mentions it. Also the Politifact article gives a more neutral depiction on the scenario than The Intercept which has a slight editorial lean towards Bernie Sanders in reporting.
You're not arguing for anything when you attack fact checkers. All your doing is more conspiracy swindling about fact checkers being bias in order to victimize Bernie.

Biden wrote the Violence Against Women Act. Also you ignored that the Congressional Black Caucus largely voted for it. You mention the crime bill as if it was racist or widely unpopular. Of course I mentioned the CBC, Why wouldn't I.

And context? Context is that Bernie has no black people living in the state of Vermont so he doesn't give a f*** if it harms black people lmao.
Everyone else who voted and wrote the bill is evil except Bernie who just had to make a tough decision lmao. Voting for something you know is bad is probably worse than writing a bill you think will help communities and then seeing in hindsight it was a bad idea.

Please stop responding to me with ad hoc justifications about socialism/communism. I do not want to waste my time arguing about irrelevant socialist commie larp topics.

Oh meant to quote you, my bad

This is getting so tiresome. When you get mad at Nancy Pelosi trying to push bills to the Senate and start harping down her neck about being ineffectual when Republicans control the Senate... Sigh, what can you even do here.

Socialists have 0 idea about political effectiveness in America. Sigh, this is why nothing gets done

That Intercept doesn't cites a NY times article that doesn't even mention cutting SS.
To believe that Biden wanted to specifically cut SS, is to believe that a freeze is the same thing.

In fact the Intercept has to make that claim to even make the article credible yet they never explain how or why.

It also ignores that Biden himself has voted in favor of excluding reductions to SS benefits.

All you're doing is cherry picking not even his congressional record. But him merely stating he would be willing to negotiate everything in order to balance the budget, including medicare and social security for illustrative purposes.

His actual voting record is all in opposition to cutting Social Security benefits

In fact why even compare the Intercept article to the Politifacts one and act like they're even the same. The entire politifacts article is a comprehensive detailing of most of Joe Biden's voting record on Social Security compared to the Intercept just going "He lied, believe us." and linking to an article from the NYT that doesn't really support what they said.

They also link to someone's twitter. These aren't even similar case studies. Politifacts is more robust and you calling them impartial doesn't really change much (Especially when Biden is caught on BS moreso than Bernie on politifacts lmao)

Like Synopsis, I would like to see you actually argue with the Politifacts article. Go ahead lmao
politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/12/bernie-sanders/sanders-misleading-social-security-attack-biden
politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur

I do not think you have the wherewithall to actually argue that their argument is not only bias towards Biden in reporting but also inaccurately portraying an event.

@Synopsis

Does freezing stop the flow of social security benefits yes or no?

And yes, that's the point. Pelosi's job is not to help the people of this country, it's to make sure people ideologically aligned with her can continue to hold seats. Look up who she was helping to win in Texas vs who that person's opponent was. And if you need even more proof this republican vs democrat s*** is a sham, please tell me why good ole joe was helping a republican get reelected in Michigan?

And no, she's means testing it because that's all liberals like her know how to do. They don't care for universal programs or anything that would meaningfully address the issues in this country. Obama had the house and senate for a brief period and near unlimited political capital. What did he do? nothing meaningful.

Please explain how a plan that says it would cover 97% of americans is Universal healthcare.

So wait, youre telling me the intercept has a slight editorial lean towards Bernie, but then you mention WaPo. Wouldn't it be relevant for you to mention they are owned by the richest guy on the planet and have you know, a harsh lean against bernie? And yes, fact checkers can be biased. Hard to understand when you willfully ignore the role of institutions in shaping public opinion but it is possible.

If you’re citing WaPo as neutral fact checkers against Bernie when he lead a nationwide campaign against its owner for a $15 minimum wage for workers (including Amazon) you’re doing it wrong

Is freezing federal spending, cutting Social Security. Yes or no, these are two different things.

Pelosi helping Democrats keep their job helps maintain their majority and allows them to keep pushing bills. Its not about keeping people who are solely ideologically aligned with her in their seats

Just because you can't comprehend how politics works doesn't mean she doesn't. The democrats need a majority to even think about getting bills passed into congress.

What mayor in Michigan lmao? You mean the one who endorsed Biden? How is this Biden's fault lmao????

You realize I mentioned the WAPO and Politifacts and leaned more into Politifacts. I'm not going to argue about Jeff Bezos bro. I don't care! For sure!!

I'm ignoring you just spouting off dumb s*** that fits your world view. I'm not going to sit here and just argue about the WAPO and Jeff Bezos with unsubstantiated claims when 1st of all, I was even mentioning them crazy like that. I just mentioned them because they're a reputable source. I can disregard the Intercept for the same damn reasons but I don't.

And yes, the WAPO article in and of itself is better than the Intercept article as well. The WAPO article is a comprehensive run through Joe's congressional record point blank.
The Intercept is literally just fixating on the same Bernie soundbite that is the topic of contention while talking about a tweet and referencing an article made about freezes that doesn't support what they said.

Literally depends on why 3 percent of the country aren't covered. But yes its UHC or atleast near UHC

Also my point earlier was that literally most of the field was running on UHC or something akin to it. Castro, Warren, Buttigieg, etc
Not to mention Bernie's single payer is unfeasible anyway

Please for the love of god Synopsis, stop drifting my arguments away from my initial points. I said this yesterday when you first quoted me lmao and you keep doing it.

The WAPO article is literally just them posting the same thing Politifacts did but smaller.

In comparison to the Intercept, WAPO, and Politifacts do not look even remotely biased in the context of fact checking
washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/08/sanders-versus-biden-social-security-guide-claims

Damn Synopsis just keeps saying some random ass s*** and making me drift into these f***ing arguments I wasn't even making.

I didn't even initially state that Biden had a UHC

How the f*** did I get here? The first time I mentioned it, I said, almost every dem

The first nigga to even mention Biden in the context of healthcare this entire thread wasn't even me

Please bro, for my health. Stop putting me on these dialogue trees and making me argue things I didn't say. I'm lucky I caught myself cuz I was really wondering wtf was going on. I remember saying "almost every dem", not "Every single democrat was for UHC"

Anyway, the public option can be considered UHC. Biden's public option may not be but no one said it was.

Idk why u want me out here defending Biden lmao. A lot of countries have two tier healthcare systems, and of those countries some are UHC and some aren't. America currently doesn't have UHC despite being a two tier HC system

@Synopsis
So lets not waste time posting some s*** about Biden's HC plan. I aint finna defend this nigga's plan. F***, I aint even vote for him

The Intercept provides a much needed context abt the centrist dem faction in the 80s. Working with Rs and sometimes even going to the right of Rs that would be the blueprint for dems for an entire generation. Without that context we get framing like WaPo saying Biden position was “mainstream” or bargain with Republicans was somehow “elusive”.

Ima vote Biden just because I want to see the shambles from Conservatives and also society when he continues the bidding of the corporate elite

Thats not giving context at all. It's called priming, theyre just overloading you with miscellaneous information to create a narrative.

The question being asked is "Did Joe Biden advocate for cutting SS? Yes or No?"

In order to make that argument, the Intercept has to not only equivocate spending freezes to cuts but they also have to insinuate that adjustments are just catch phrases for cuts.

I would argue the Intercept is a much more bias view of events and leaves less to the imagination than either Wapo or Politifacts in how it presents information.

Not to mention the Intercept articles utilize a lot of snippets from Twitter that don't explain anything.

Like I don't know how we're actually arguing that the Intercept's coverage of that case isn't more biased and obfuscating then Politifacts

The Intercept doesn't even actually go over Biden's record in the original article they made

We're being extremely charitable to the Intercept when they're clearly misrepresenting facts.

I'm trying to be impartial but I have no idea why we're going to pretend the Intercept gives even remotely nuanced or impartial coverage on Sander's.

Like I have no qualms saying f*** the WAPO and just sticking with politifacts. But uh, I'm not going to go from WAPO to the Intercept as if they don't tend to nut hug bernie on almost every occasion.

It just seems like people like to trade different "biased" news networks like boomers going back and forth between MSNBC or Fox.

I was trying not to mention it cuz I don't really hate the Intercept but again... I'm not gonna pretend they don't just nuthug Bernie

Also The Intercept just sources WAPO or the NYTimes half the time so what even is this argument

Anyway get off the WAPO. I'm not even trying to defend them. Niggas keep moving goal posts. I'd rather you talk more about Politifact if anything

Even Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept just s***s on every candidate but Bernie lmao. Have you checked that nigga's twitter

Like I'm fine if you wanna post The Intercept but lets not complain about bias and use them as your moral beacon.

Lmao

Like if you wanna s*** on the WaPo, fine. But you should s*** on the Intercept as well. F***, we should just watch C-Span

There's plenty of unbiased news sources and you still aren't using them to make your point after typing 3 essays in here.

This re tard kunta kinte saying Pelosi is the best Democratic leader weve ever had LOL

All i need to see to know hes full of s***

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