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    Only album where you could tell his vision was not met and that’s why it’s a dud to me. If only this s*** coulda played out different BBTM might’ve been his opus

    There’s another thread with more info I can’t find, basically, Weeknd goes to Seattle with doc and works on a bunch of stuff, drunk in love and kotf and often, the hills, acquainted, tell your friends. The Weeknd gets super disillusioned after kiss land fails commercially which is why he starts kissing up to max martin, getting the ari & 50 shades placements, then starts to go back and rework the old material with max to kind of have a best of both worlds kind of project to feed the fans and be poppy. Doc gets mad after GBIT90s becomes aquatinted, and forces all his work on the project to be removed since they’re redoing a lot of it without his input, they lose what’s probably about half the songs for the project and scramble to put something together which is why the album comes out disjointed and very non cohesive. Starboy comes out two years later and is more poppy, but you can feel it’s a very complete body of work unlike this

    Edit: one last edit: if I had to guess, the ideal version of BBTM that was a mix of the doc sessions and max sessions would’ve prolly been around 20 tracks, probably about 10 songs from bbtm, and 10 more

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    One of the biggest what ifs of the 2010s is if Kiss Land got good reception, its crazy how much s*** might've been different rn

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    fun

    One of the biggest what ifs of the 2010s is if Kiss Land got good reception, its crazy how much s*** might've been different rn

    Yeah it’s almost wild to think about.

    Imo Seattle one of the darkest places in the US so it’s wild to think of what woulda came outta that. Ik we have some of the songs but I’m thinking the art, the album etc.

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    Grunge/Alt Rock Abel would have been goat

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    abel-recorded-a-whole-drugged-out-album-with-doc-in-2014-and-scrapped-it-for-mj-levels-of-fame.3668321

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    666

    abel-recorded-a-whole-drugged-out-album-with-doc-in-2014-and-scrapped-it-for-mj-levels-of-fame.3668321

    I copy pasted the link exactly idk what happened

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    Link fixed for anyone who wants to read

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    FASHION DEMON

    Grunge/Alt Rock Abel would have been goat

    I don’t even think it woulda been like that I imagine it to be like kiss land but a step further, maybe with some alt aspects, and even more depravity

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    RIP CODEINE

    ?

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    Is the Seattle sessions and the pre MDM album the only 2 projects that got scrapped?

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    925Andrew

    ?

    thank you

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    RIP CODEINE

    thank you

    It was the thread that introduced me to KTT from reddit so I love to go back and read it

    That & the bird man oil posts were the posts that made me wanna sign up + all the extended song edits on ktt1

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    King of the fall was suppose to be the sound. Then he took the max Martin route ever since. Creative control went down the gutter. Republic owns The Weeknd!

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    I'll never not be mad about Girls Born in the 90s being turned into Acquainted
    The 2014 album could have been his best stuff, imagine Kiss Land but expanded on

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    So what material are we thinking for sure made it out of these sessions?

    Girls Born in the 90s
    Often
    Perhaps a early version of The Hills?

    Tell Your Friends I won't count since that started as a Kanye track, and KOTF seems to have been made prior to the re-location to Seattle

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    RIP_Actavis

    So what material are we thinking for sure made it out of these sessions?

    Girls Born in the 90s
    Often
    Perhaps a early version of The Hills?

    Tell Your Friends I won't count since that started as a Kanye track, and KOTF seems to have been made prior to the re-location to Seattle

    Pretty sure For Your Eyes Only was from this era in which case yeah that did

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    KWL

    Pretty sure For Your Eyes Only was from this era in which case yeah that did

    FYEO is a KL track

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    free world

    King of the fall was suppose to be the sound. Then he took the max Martin route ever since. Creative control went down the gutter. Republic owns The Weeknd!

    Starboy, MDM, After hours out now

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    KWL

    Pretty sure For Your Eyes Only was from this era in which case yeah that did

    Pretty sure For Your Eyes Only was made during the KL sessions, since it's Illangelo on production

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    His best album imo

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    925Andrew

    FYEO is a KL track

    Oh

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    RIP_Actavis

    So what material are we thinking for sure made it out of these sessions?

    Girls Born in the 90s
    Often
    Perhaps a early version of The Hills?

    Tell Your Friends I won't count since that started as a Kanye track, and KOTF seems to have been made prior to the re-location to Seattle

    I think KOTF, Drunk in Love, or nah, often, the hills, tell your friends (at the least the demos pre Kanye beat), girls born in the 90s, and probably a bunch of the march 2015 leak demos that came out a while back. All I know for sure is I’d estimate about 10 album tracks got the cut.

    Doc might’ve done heavenly creatures, and then max and Weeknd turned it into girls born in the 90s, which is what made doc have that Twitter fit, which is what forced them to keep it as acquainted without the doc contributions

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    Bushmanate

    His best album imo

    That’s wild as f*** I hate it with a burning passion. Got some jawns though

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    1 project with both KOTF vibes and can’t feel my face vibes would’ve been crazy