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  • Nov 25, 2021

    also its

    "were"

    happy thanksgiving and make sure yall dont eat stuffing that s*** is gross and salty

    /thread

  • Nov 25, 2021
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    CLB RamOFT

    We all have vaccines

    Why tf would this one be any different in protecting us?

    because its a whole new variation of vaccination that hasnt been used to public masses ever before covid. it always failed in tests before, had bad side effects.

    crazy thing is as i said. we could have gotten a normal ass anti gene vaccination for this. there has even been done an anti gene vax by a german doctor just few weeks after this covid mess started. never seen the light of day.

  • *were

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    Trash Star

    op really wants us to think that they have an understanding of vaccine efficacy when their title is literally "funny thing is. whole time proposers of vaccination where the dumb people.."

    so many misspellings in the post that i cant take him seriously

  • Nov 25, 2021

    thats crazy op because i was just thinking ctrl v

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    Christos

    November 25, 2021

    On Thanksgiving, lol. @op Go give your family a hug bro.

  • Nov 25, 2021
    Yevin

    so many misspellings in the post that i cant take him seriously

    not from english speaking country and im not here to improve my english skills

  • Nov 25, 2021
    JaeRell

    On Thanksgiving, lol. @op Go give your family a hug bro.

    not thanksgiving for me. sorry to interupt yall actually.

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply

    life sxn really slowly turning into /r/conspiracy

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    maxyman32

    because its a whole new variation of vaccination that hasnt been used to public masses ever before covid. it always failed in tests before, had bad side effects.

    crazy thing is as i said. we could have gotten a normal ass anti gene vaccination for this. there has even been done an anti gene vax by a german doctor just few weeks after this covid mess started. never seen the light of day.

    There are three non gene vaccines

    Oxford AZ, J&J, Novavax

  • Nov 25, 2021
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  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    like a g6

    life sxn really slowly turning into /r/conspiracy

    its numbers and statitistics. like how incomprehensible can you be to view this as conspiracy. yes, i give you the point that i dont provice any links to sources but yall can do that yall selves if yall really try to deal with both/all sides

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    SPACE GHOST FIFTY

    There are three non gene vaccines

    Oxford AZ, J&J, Novavax

    first mrna vaccination given to public masses from the information i gathered

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    maxyman32
    路 edited

    EDIT: i mostly just got mad at people blindly falling for s*** without questioning while still trying to spread some information i gathered by dealing with numbers and statistics or people that have more knowledge and can get to a conclusion better than me with the numbers and statistics available to us. sorry for getting mad on thanksgiving. enjoy it if you can with your fam, be careful. lets unite and f*** the elites rather

    you will most likely consider yourself proposer of vaccination and i get it, its easy to fall for it but yall really just talked s*** that yall where told that has been proven to be scientifically wrong or wong by numbers and statistics. you know, looking at s*** objectively rather than blindly hopping on a train

    few things i now know that people that proposers of vaccination are in the wrong about and hella short sighted and not well informed for believing/spreading:

    • vaccination rate drops pretty harsh in short time after taking it

    • we never needed a mrna vaccination against covid to begin with. a normal ass vaccination with anti genes would have done the job, solved the problem, been cheaper and easier to give to the whole world than this whole new vaccination tech that has never been applied to masses before covid (because of failed tests)

    • free living vaccinated people do much worse damage than careful unvaccinated people

    • this whole herd immunity thing was something that was clear to scientists to not be working from the whole start. i actually cant recite the details but i will get them for you guys if interested

    then theres other minor things like

    • vaccination doesnt stop from spreading only from potential damage to one self. which means, even if vaccinated you gotta be careful and not go on f***in concerts and in clubs like some of yall dumb motherfuckers are doing but screaming "go vax you dummies"

    im actually really mad at people that believe in the vaccination being the solution to this whole mess and spreading it as if they have the knowledge of god and know everything about it but simultaneously not being open to any new potential truths

    @op if you want to engage controversial topics like this you gotta present your argument better because as its written right now its not easily comprehensible and also doesn't convey anything holistic much less worthwhile argument

    just to address each point though while im waiting for thanksgiving dinner

    vaccination rate drops pretty harsh in short time after taking it

    basically all vaccines that don't contain a live virus technically require boosters or fall off after taking it. however efficacy is different per vaccine. you can't make the same conclusion about Novavax as you can for Moderna for example. are you saying every country and every medical company was wrong for proposing vaccines? only some countries? the entire world isn't using one vaccine.

    we never needed a mrna vaccination against covid to begin with. a normal ass vaccination with anti genes would have done the job, solved the problem, been cheaper and easier to give to the whole world than this whole new vaccination tech that has never been applied to masses before covid (because of failed tests)

    i agree with you on mRNA specifically but this also doesn't make sense vs your entire argument. if you want your argument to be mRNA vaccine was a rushed and stupid idea then let that be your argument. not every vaccine is mRNA and lots of other vaccines including J&J in the US use prior researched and idstributed technology, and other vaccines elsewhere in the world like Novavax and the chinese ones use vaccine technology used elsewhere. so how is this a point against all vaccinations at all? the discussion about mRNA is completely separate from the rest of your argument and basically self-defeating in this point alone.

    free living vaccinated people do much worse damage than careful unvaccinated people

    the point of vaccinations isn't to eliminate a virus, it's to lower the risk of the virus's existence to be able to transition back to a normal lifestyle where the virus still exists but lives in the background and does not propose an active threat of hospitalization to overwhelm the medical system, so during said time medical resources can be freed up for people who simply cannot be vaccinated and/or would be vulnerable no matter what. obviously the point as well was to pad out viable timing to transition back to normal while antiviral d**** were developed (which are now coming into existence). the fault in this cycle has nothing to do with COVID, it's solely on the arms of our terribly incompetent and disgustingly sociopathic government and bureaucracy. statistics themselves show that the vaccines would have worked well enough had our government not been incompetent. you can clearly see in countries that competently handled this situation that things did actually work as intended. also the topic of comparison of vax vs unvax is more of a culture war issue than a scientific one and the culture war hijacking of it changed the course of what should have been an easy trajectory in the US.

    this whole herd immunity thing was something that was clear to scientists to not be working from the whole start. i actually cant recite the details but i will get them for you guys if interested

    see the above on incompetence of bureaucracy not being an excuse for disregarding the concept of vaccination as a whole. It was known since the beginning that agencies in the US and parts of Europe, among others, were incompetent - do we remember in the beginning of COVID it was right wingers doomsaying and liberals saying that COVID wasn't real for example and how quickly that swapped? Things also aren't singular. This is like saying Tylenol or Ibuprofen doesn't work just because Big Pharma is corrupt.

    vaccination doesnt stop from spreading only from potential damage to one self. which means, even if vaccinated you gotta be careful and not go on f***in concerts and in clubs like some of yall dumb motherfuckers are doing but screaming "go vax you dummies"

    see above points

  • Nov 25, 2021

  • maxyman32

    first mrna vaccination given to public masses from the information i gathered

    okay but you dont have to get that one because there are three non mrna alternatives and they all do the same s*** just with varying degrees of efficacy

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    maxyman32

    its numbers and statitistics. like how incomprehensible can you be to view this as conspiracy. yes, i give you the point that i dont provice any links to sources but yall can do that yall selves if yall really try to deal with both/all sides

    lets look at numbers then buddy (netherlands)

    how come 68% of the people with covid in the ICU are unvaccinated people even though they're only 25% of the population

    how come the average age of the unvaccinated in the hospital is 59 but the average age of the vaccinated is 77

    how come an unvaccinated person is 17 times as likely to get in the hospital compared to vaccinated

    source:

    nu.nl/coronavirus/6169696/opgenomen-gevaccineerden-hebben-bijna-altijd-al-medische-problemen.html

  • Nov 25, 2021
    Jihyo

    Classic avi lol

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    krishna bound

    @op if you want to engage controversial topics like this you gotta present your argument better because as its written right now its not easily comprehensible and also doesn't convey anything holistic much less worthwhile argument

    just to address each point though while im waiting for thanksgiving dinner

    vaccination rate drops pretty harsh in short time after taking it

    basically all vaccines that don't contain a live virus technically require boosters or fall off after taking it. however efficacy is different per vaccine. you can't make the same conclusion about Novavax as you can for Moderna for example. are you saying every country and every medical company was wrong for proposing vaccines? only some countries? the entire world isn't using one vaccine.

    we never needed a mrna vaccination against covid to begin with. a normal ass vaccination with anti genes would have done the job, solved the problem, been cheaper and easier to give to the whole world than this whole new vaccination tech that has never been applied to masses before covid (because of failed tests)

    i agree with you on mRNA specifically but this also doesn't make sense vs your entire argument. if you want your argument to be mRNA vaccine was a rushed and stupid idea then let that be your argument. not every vaccine is mRNA and lots of other vaccines including J&J in the US use prior researched and idstributed technology, and other vaccines elsewhere in the world like Novavax and the chinese ones use vaccine technology used elsewhere. so how is this a point against all vaccinations at all? the discussion about mRNA is completely separate from the rest of your argument and basically self-defeating in this point alone.

    free living vaccinated people do much worse damage than careful unvaccinated people

    the point of vaccinations isn't to eliminate a virus, it's to lower the risk of the virus's existence to be able to transition back to a normal lifestyle where the virus still exists but lives in the background and does not propose an active threat of hospitalization to overwhelm the medical system, so during said time medical resources can be freed up for people who simply cannot be vaccinated and/or would be vulnerable no matter what. obviously the point as well was to pad out viable timing to transition back to normal while antiviral d**** were developed (which are now coming into existence). the fault in this cycle has nothing to do with COVID, it's solely on the arms of our terribly incompetent and disgustingly sociopathic government and bureaucracy. statistics themselves show that the vaccines would have worked well enough had our government not been incompetent. you can clearly see in countries that competently handled this situation that things did actually work as intended. also the topic of comparison of vax vs unvax is more of a culture war issue than a scientific one and the culture war hijacking of it changed the course of what should have been an easy trajectory in the US.

    this whole herd immunity thing was something that was clear to scientists to not be working from the whole start. i actually cant recite the details but i will get them for you guys if interested

    see the above on incompetence of bureaucracy not being an excuse for disregarding the concept of vaccination as a whole. It was known since the beginning that agencies in the US and parts of Europe, among others, were incompetent - do we remember in the beginning of COVID it was right wingers doomsaying and liberals saying that COVID wasn't real for example and how quickly that swapped? Things also aren't singular. This is like saying Tylenol or Ibuprofen doesn't work just because Big Pharma is corrupt.

    vaccination doesnt stop from spreading only from potential damage to one self. which means, even if vaccinated you gotta be careful and not go on f***in concerts and in clubs like some of yall dumb motherfuckers are doing but screaming "go vax you dummies"

    see above points

    this some real s***. thank you for taking your time. i didnt want to actually claim i know the truth just more so propose to being open to all sides but then i got mad at people that just blindly fall for one thing.

    thanks. this some good information

  • Nov 25, 2021
    1 reply
    maxyman32

    this some real s***. thank you for taking your time. i didnt want to actually claim i know the truth just more so propose to being open to all sides but then i got mad at people that just blindly fall for one thing.

    thanks. this some good information

    But you aren鈥檛 open to both sides, you basically named your topic vaccine takers are dumb鈥

    You don鈥檛 realize it but every single point you are trying to make actually applies to you, you are the one trying to make an argument for something you actually know nothing about, you don鈥檛 even understand the basics of scientific method.

  • Nov 25, 2021
    like a g6

    lets look at numbers then buddy (netherlands)

    how come 68% of the people with covid in the ICU are unvaccinated people even though they're only 25% of the population

    how come the average age of the unvaccinated in the hospital is 59 but the average age of the vaccinated is 77

    how come an unvaccinated person is 17 times as likely to get in the hospital compared to vaccinated

    source:

    https://www.nu.nl/coronavirus/6169696/opgenomen-gevaccineerden-hebben-bijna-altijd-al-medische-problemen.html

    some of the points i didnt claim to make. i said vaccine is not stopping from spreading but for self defense (your last point).

    first point about ICU i didnt deal with enough yet

  • Nov 25, 2021

    OP tried to write were, wrote where and then changed it to wiener

  • Nov 25, 2021
    capers

    But you aren鈥檛 open to both sides, you basically named your topic vaccine takers are dumb鈥

    You don鈥檛 realize it but every single point you are trying to make actually applies to you, you are the one trying to make an argument for something you actually know nothing about, you don鈥檛 even understand the basics of scientific method.

    yes thats true i dont know anything about sciene and yes the title can be taken that way. what i wanted to say is people that blindly trust in the vaccination and disregard any counter arguments against it are the dumb people.

    im just trying to gather the truest information i can. as i said i wrote that whole thing out of madness which was indeed my fault and im in the wrong for it. im glad tho that somebody brought me good counter arguments to some of the stuff i said here. its really cool even cause for us non scientiest we have to trust sources without understanding all of it which is why if somebody wants to get the closest thing to truth out of there will have to bounce from one thing to another to then evaluate what makes more sense and is better proofable by numbers.

    you are right tho. i basically wrote the starting post as if i would know everything better and for sure. i still think theres a lot of misinformation out there that people proposing for vax as the best solution believe in.

    me for example. i planned to vax last week, two times actually but just got more and more info, then decided against and now know about the importance of being careful around people vaccinated or unvaccinated. now that i gathered more information about the vaccines i will do my own due dilligence and decide if it makes sense for me to take since im watching out for my health and being as careful as i can in society

  • who's wiener did what?

  • Nov 25, 2021
    Jihyo

    Is this even relevant if the conclusion reached is f***ing stupid, and a potential endangerment to those around them?

    Do you morons not know of the concept of variants? Vaccine resistant variants, and variants that can bypass previous infections?

    Absolutely brain dead.

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