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  • they brought back the ports...great! but kinda s***ty that the HDMI is HDMI 2.0 and the SD card reader is only UHS-II.

    Also, have yall noticed a lag in Spotlight search when you plug in an SD card in the slot? It slows the indexing time lmfao. Or is it just me?

    You're paying 2000+ for a "Pro" machine. You would expect the ports that they brought back to be of that standard & quality.

    Don't get it twisted tho...I love these machines and their performance.

    Am I just b****in or what?

  • JayS 馃
    Nov 5
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    What is hdmi 2.1 and why is it useful

    Also the other thing too

  • Nov 5
    1 reply

    you're complaining about Apple products and their prices, are you b****in op?

  • Nov 5
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    JayS

    What is hdmi 2.1 and why is it useful

    Also the other thing too

    HDMI 2.1 allows faster refresh rates and UHS-III allows faster read/write times on your SD card

  • Nov 5
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    lil ufo

    you're complaining about Apple products and their prices, are you b****in op?

    am I valid tho or am I just b****in to be b****in?

  • 9inetoxic

    am I valid tho or am I just b****in to be b****in?

    it's valid I get u but this ain't nothing new

  • JayS 馃
    Nov 5
    9inetoxic

    HDMI 2.1 allows faster refresh rates and UHS-III allows faster read/write times on your SD card

    We鈥檒l get that in 2 years

  • JayS 馃
    Nov 5

    Apple won鈥檛 put usb c on the iPhone what do you expect

  • Nov 6
    edited

    I personally don't care about faster SD cards or the HDMI 2.0

    I'd rather they remove the old HDMI / SD Card reader for another TB, maybe I'm in the minority tho people seem pretty hyped about some old ass ports

    overall I'm happy with the Magsafe and the 3 TB4 ports, it's definitely not a downgrade from my 2017 but I think 4 Thunderbolt 4 ports and a magsafe would have been better than these legacy ports

    the HDMI is annoying me because there is no clean way to adapt Thunderbolt/Displayport to HDMI 2.1, which is truly only a problem on high end TVs, (I have a 4k120hz OLED) monitors always have DP but if you have a TV you're out of luck you can't drive your 4k 120hz display and it's not easily adaptable yet despite what you may read online

    sure you can run multiple 8k 60hz screens via DSC over TB/DP but I don't care because there are no 4k 120hz OLED monitors for under $3000, so you're paying $1600 extra for the monitor version of the same LG display just so it has Displayport cause Apple didn't feel like adding an HDMI 2.1 to their new top of the line computer.. monitors are always a terrible deal vs TVs with the same panel and people are acting like it's a new port.. my 15 month old 3080 has it, the standard is from 2017 getting near 5 years old

    the good news is that Thunderbolt 3/4 is Displayport 1.4 so it supports almost every HDMI 2.1 resolution, it just has to be actively converted when it's going to HDMI, hopefully there will be good adapters by this time next year

    I doubt Apple is saving these features so people will upgrade later on because most people will just use a dongle for these issues by the time the next gen comes out and most people besides these users don't care about this stuff... Apple just likes to use old standards when they don't see much benefit (still using sub 0.5gbps lighting on flagship phones.. that's basically USB 2 lmao)

    Thunderbolt is open source now so it's free to use.. Apple has a long history of this, they got rid of VGA and forced MacBook Pro users onto Displayport Mini and one reason is because there are licensing cost for VGA, SD and HDMI and newer standards cost more plus new ports cost more to integrate, they use far more bandwidth.. I get the M1 Pro not having it but the Max not having it makes no sense those Machines are 3.5k minimum!

    Apple probably feels like we get enough bandwidth via TB so they can just push those niche users to dongles once they've been made like they've been doing for decades and they are most likely saving more CPU cores + 4nm for the next Generation

    if they upgrade ports I don't see many people switching for HDMI/SD reasons.. they'll just be doing it cause they heard so many complaints, same reason we have these useless ports back I guess

  • Nov 6

    considering the point of the release marketing was that they were bringing back all the functionality they stupidly left out in recent years (and some dumbasses tried to justify these choices as a good thing), as well as placing it as a top top end workhorse, it makes no sense to leave out these features. especially looking at its current price-point.

  • Nov 6
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    One really cool thing now is that each Thunderbolt port has its own controller so you can get full bandwidth out of all three ports simultaneously. That's pretty crazy. So you can drive your 4K 120 or 6K 60 displays through those Thunderbolt ports. The HDMI is more of a 'casual' implementation, where you can add a 4K 60 monitor to add to the three 6Ks, or hook into a projector for a presentation, or throw something up on a TV in a pinch. 4K 60 is a fine spec for all of that.

    I guess the SD card slot not being UHS-III is a valid complaint. I think this all has to do with I/O bandwidth to the SoC, though. I don't know if the SD card slot and HDMI 2.0 are piped off one of the three Thunderbolt controllers, but if so that would explain it. HDMI 2.1 would've required 48Gbps whereas one of the Thunderbolt controllers can only provide 40Gbps

    And honestly, they needed to save something for a Gen 2. They gave us mini-LED and ProMotion and 10-bit color and better speakers and better battery life and crazy fast processors all in one go. They've gotta have some incremental improvements (HDMI 2.1? UHS-III? FaceID, etc.) tucked away for later

  • Nov 6
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    Ya Boy Ace

    One really cool thing now is that each Thunderbolt port has its own controller so you can get full bandwidth out of all three ports simultaneously. That's pretty crazy. So you can drive your 4K 120 or 6K 60 displays through those Thunderbolt ports. The HDMI is more of a 'casual' implementation, where you can add a 4K 60 monitor to add to the three 6Ks, or hook into a projector for a presentation, or throw something up on a TV in a pinch. 4K 60 is a fine spec for all of that.

    I guess the SD card slot not being UHS-III is a valid complaint. I think this all has to do with I/O bandwidth to the SoC, though. I don't know if the SD card slot and HDMI 2.0 are piped off one of the three Thunderbolt controllers, but if so that would explain it. HDMI 2.1 would've required 48Gbps whereas one of the Thunderbolt controllers can only provide 40Gbps

    And honestly, they needed to save something for a Gen 2. They gave us mini-LED and ProMotion and 10-bit color and better speakers and better battery life and crazy fast processors all in one go. They've gotta have some incremental improvements (HDMI 2.1? UHS-III? FaceID, etc.) tucked away for later

    true...but at 2000...for a machine designed for pro standards...I would expect HDMI 2.1 and UHS-III already. Not have to wait and pay for their next model. Also...the MacBook Pro 2015 Retina had all these ports and is significantly thinner than this new model. I'm guessing the new chip, logic board, and architecture required a thicker machine?

  • Nov 6
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    9inetoxic

    true...but at 2000...for a machine designed for pro standards...I would expect HDMI 2.1 and UHS-III already. Not have to wait and pay for their next model. Also...the MacBook Pro 2015 Retina had all these ports and is significantly thinner than this new model. I'm guessing the new chip, logic board, and architecture required a thicker machine?

    Again, it's got three Thunderbolt controllers for high pixel count, high refresh rate displays. It can drive three 6K displays at 60Hz and a fourth 4K display at 60Hz. Is that really not "Pro" enough for you? The 2015 MBPs could not do that. The HDMI port is there as a 'just in case' port for presentations and an extra monitor, not to drive 4K 120 games to your TV.

    The claim that the 2015 MBP was "significantly thinner" is also just... false. The 15" 2015 MBP was 0.71" thick. New 14" is 0.61" thick and 16" is 0.66" thick. There's no taper at the edges of the 2021 models like there were in previous designs, but those older models would run hot, were a small fraction as powerful, didn't have displays that would hold a candle to the new ones, etc. Speakers/microphones/display/camera/CPU/GPU/battery, basically all aspects of a laptop have ALL significantly improved

    Are you trying to convince yourself you don't want one or something? Very nitpicky considering how incredible these machines are in all other aspects. Minor gripe to not have HDMI 2.1 that is easily circumventable with the other I/O

  • Ya Boy Ace

    Again, it's got three Thunderbolt controllers for high pixel count, high refresh rate displays. It can drive three 6K displays at 60Hz and a fourth 4K display at 60Hz. Is that really not "Pro" enough for you? The 2015 MBPs could not do that. The HDMI port is there as a 'just in case' port for presentations and an extra monitor, not to drive 4K 120 games to your TV.

    The claim that the 2015 MBP was "significantly thinner" is also just... false. The 15" 2015 MBP was 0.71" thick. New 14" is 0.61" thick and 16" is 0.66" thick. There's no taper at the edges of the 2021 models like there were in previous designs, but those older models would run hot, were a small fraction as powerful, didn't have displays that would hold a candle to the new ones, etc. Speakers/microphones/display/camera/CPU/GPU/battery, basically all aspects of a laptop have ALL significantly improved

    Are you trying to convince yourself you don't want one or something? Very nitpicky considering how incredible these machines are in all other aspects. Minor gripe to not have HDMI 2.1 that is easily circumventable with the other I/O

    Spittin

  • I can see why it is frustrating but most people who buy these machines probably won't benefit that much from HDMI 2.1 or UHS 3.
    my only gripe is the notch, apart from that these machines are almost perfect.

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