is there any truth that covid isnt as deadly/strong as it was when it first was spreading?

Are y'all going to take the vaccine as soon as it comes out

Russia have completed their first round of vaccine trials, took a month. Even after these trials, the Vaccine isn't slated to be released anytime soon because of the level of scrutiny the vaccine has go through before it is deemed safe for general public.

health24.com/Medical/Infectious-diseases/Coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-and-russia-only-first-part-of-trial-completed-and-still-a-long-way-to-go-20200714

trump saying one thing and scientists doing another are two different things

F*** no, atleast not initially. Especially for a vaccine that is being pressured by the government to be made in half the time that is required to normally and safely make a vaccine. Not to mention we’re still in the process of completely understanding how the virus works and there’s recent data that shows the virus is slowly but surely mutating which effects the way scientists work on the vaccines and it’s effectiveness. I’m sure if a vaccine is made by the end of the year that it’ll be effective and ease the minds of a lot of people but you can’t tell me there isn’t a higher then usual risk being involved with the initial wave of vaccines and that reason alone is why I say no to it being mandatory to take initially.

no, but there should be some sort of status card or sticker people can use in public.

no, that’s very unethical. A slippery slope too.

Well if the cases of narcolepsy started straight away like you claim, why wasn’t it picked up straight away during the vaccine trials? That makes it even more concerning.

Anywho, narcolepsy isn’t something that can be detected straight away. It’s a chronic disorder that gradually manifests over time. Most countries didn’t confirm narcolepsy being a side effect until 2-3 years after the vaccine was first administered, after which it was already too late. The victims had already been infected with a permanent, debilitating disorder caused by a vaccine that was meant to protect them.

F*** no

no

Yep

Those still aren't thousands. Even with those numbers, that aren't thousands, there's a high possibility the numbers were inflated due to an increased awareness
Reports of narcolepsy were picked up within months after the vaccine jabs. That particular vaccine was obsolete by the end of the 2009/2010 flu season.
nhs.uk/news/medication/swine-flu-jab-narcolepsy-risk-is-very-small

Current avi way better

Anti-vaxxers are nutcases

1300 is greater than one thousand, therefore it can be referred to as thousands.

Why was the narcolepsy side effect not picked up in the vaccine trials, if it only took a short period of time to manifest as you claim? Did they rush the trials? Were they incompetent?

Thankfully that vaccine was voluntary. Imagine if it had been mandatory. Millions of people would have been affected.

How can we be sure that this won’t happen with the covid vaccine?

I linked an article that answers why the vaccine was rushed, use your high-level intellect, and read the damn thing, it was rushed because of the perceived predicament at the time, there was a pandemic, and high-risk areas were targeted. it also goes on to explain it was a risk worth taking at the time, the likelihood of narcolepsy were under 0.00002% FFS.

“Mandatory” implies that there would be certain checkpoints to get into places like the NSA does at airports after the patriot act

That s*** is annoying, out

i get what you're saying but that's kind of his point, that there can be consequences to rushing out a vaccine. regardless of how few people got narcolepsy from it these are still lives that are irreparably damaged

Everything comes with a risk, would you cut down every tree within an urban environment because it may lead to an increase chance of some children acquiring asthma?

Yeah and we about to reach 1 million dead worldwide in a couple months. I think I would rather have a handful of sleepy people with narcolepsy than that

Definitely, that’s how we get rid of diseases. We all get vaccinated and eventually little to none get the disease

Should you rush out blindly when the first vaccine is available? Hell no. But once it’s confirmed safe, what’s the issue of getting a vaccine?

Only crazy people are anti-vax

anit vaxxers itt

Those reasons are precisely why a vaccine should not be mandatory.

How can people reasonably trust the government to supply them with a safe vaccine when there’s precedent of the government negligently rushing to approve a vaccine without fully understanding its side effects, causing thousands of innocent people to develop permanent, debilitating disorders.

If there’s a risk that people can develop harmful side effects from a vaccine, then it should be each person’s individual choice as to whether or not they want to take that risk. It’s highly dangerous and unethical for the government to deprive them of that choice.

Can anyone link me a situation where a vaccine or something had horrible side effects? Not trying to prove anyone wrong, just genuinely curious

Being concerned about the potential side effects of a vaccine that will almost undoubtedly be rushed doesn’t make you an anti-vaxxer
I’ll be getting the vaccine as soon as it’s available, but i fully understand why other sensible people wouldn’t feel comfortable doing the same