too bad no one sane/marketable will run

they said this in 2016 too

If it didn’t happen in 2016 it’s not happening now unfortunately

I’ll still be voting third party though since I live in California and the electoral votes are going to Biden anyway

This time it's worse tbh. Hilary was apparently more disliked than Biden, but Biden has been outright exposed and more people turn on him with each gaffe. And Trump is Trump. Too bad Bernie doesn't have the audacity to run, he might really win - especially with COVID looming over the country.

Howie Hawkins is a good candidate tho. Only thing stopping him from being a "great" candidate is that when people say "Howie Hawkins" other people say "WHO?"

You really just waffle through every post making things up to suit your narrative.

Wtf are you even talking about?

Nvm don't care

You do or you wouldn't have replied.

Its common sense. If Bernie's supporters couldn't be mobilised to win key primaries, how are they suddenly going to turn up for a presidential election?

And what evidence is there that people are turning on Biden?

Bernie just dont wanna do it he gave up in the primary and wont run anymore

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/joe_biden_favorableunfavorable-6677.html

If anything, it appears that Biden's favorability is increasing slightly overtime.

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/joe_biden_favorableunfavorable-6677.html

If anything, it appears that Biden's favorability is increasing slightly overtime.

Are we looking at the same numbers? Outside of the Emerson poll, I don't see anything that suggests Biden is doing well. There's also the Quinnipiac but that's from a month ago and he was +4. Don't these polls have margins of error of like +-3?

And outside of the polls - which I never put much stake whatsoever in - it's pretty clear that Biden is limping into November. THE biggest thing he has going for him is that he isn't Trump. Whether that one factor will get him across the finish line remains to be seen

Clinton's favorability from around the same time ranged from -10 to -20, Biden is pulling about even, which means he's more popular than Clinton by a pretty significant margin.

Looking at Biden, his numbers jumped from -10 earlier in the year to about even now, barring the Emerson and Monmouth polls which seem to be outliers. It's been relatively steady for months, outside of those CNBC polls that are weirdly out-of-line with everything.

I don't really see any evidence Biden is actively losing supporters, and I think the people that care about Biden's gaffes were either already set on Trump or weren't planning on voting in the first place.

Biden's campaign and policy is very middle-of-the-road for the Democratic party right now by design, I think he's running more on a return-to-normal campaign, which could be good or bad.

"and I think the people that care about Biden's gaffes were either already set on Trump or weren't planning on voting in the first place."

Or we are people who'll vote for a candidate who agrees with policy positions that we have. Trump doesn't fill that role. Biden doesn't feel that role. And it doesn't mean that I and others like me won't vote. It literally means that I and others like me will vote for a better candidate than either of those two.

To your point on Biden's polls vs Hilary's, touche. I've been voting for 8yrs already, and I've never been polled. And I never hear any of my peers allude to anything even close to being polled themselves. So idk who these people being polled are, but I seriously doubt they are representative of the thoughts of anyone but that select group and maybe the demographic most alike them.

Why are these more representative of people's genuine feelings on (insert candidate here) than what people are saying on social media? Facebook has the largest user base in the world or something ridiculous like that. And people are pretty forthcoming about their thoughts on (insert candidate here). The narrative "but they don't vote" is a blanket and idiotic statement as long as it isn't a bunch of 17yos and younger we're talking about. 98% of the people in my life are politically active, in terms of voting.

Edit: msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/new-generation-of-activists-deeply-skeptical-of-democratic-party-resists-calls-to-channel-energy-into-the-2020-campaign/ar-BB15rpZZ?fbclid=IwAR25aEsn8wF47CFYIe3CnRnWUHrEO99v3jKJ7pByNuB9-Tt8hsnDxv0bGFU

Lmao more people are coming to support Biden than ever before

Biden has definitely gained supporters this past month. This nigga speaking out of his ass

Keep this energy November 4th, no matter what happens the night before. I don't want to hear "I don't get how this happened "

To your first point, I've been voting for about the same length of time that you have, and for that entire length of time, I've been hearing all about this massive wave of young progressives who are going to start either pushing the Democratic party in a more progressive direction (which we've definitely done the last couple years, in certain areas) or start supporting third party candidates (lmao). But when the election comes around, the amount of votes for left-wing third parties are still a minuscule proportion of the overall electorate, and even when progressives got their guy in a great position to win in the primary, with a lot of momentum and tons of cash, he still crashed and burned against a middling moderate Dem, again.

As for polling, only a very small amount of people are generally polled, and they're weighted to be statistically representative of the population to the best degree possible. See this article:
washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/18/faq-why-you-can-be-largely-confident-public-political-polling

What people are saying on social media is biased towards extremes, since people with more extreme beliefs are more likely to talk about it and get a reaction on social media. It's also heavily by younger people, who don't generally vote that often. And trying to determine how a candidate is feeling based off social media is always going to be influenced by your personal circle. Like just going off my FB and Twitter, I know maybe 3 Republicans, but Republicans make up 35-40% of the electorate.

why is there never a big push to build up the 3rd parties during congressional and local elections? they seem to be the best time to establish said parties so they wont be looking like long shots when they pop up on the presidential ballot every 4 years

Yang

Im voting Biden no matter what this year.

Our goal should only be to get Trump out of the white house. Biden sucks, but I voted 3rd party in 2016 and I regret it.

Im tired of this young people narrative

A wide breath of gen z turned 18 2014-2020 (96-02) our generation is only still forming. 2016 isn’t a good barometer bcus again only a sliver of us could even vote but now majority of us are 18

It’s anecdotal but a huugee ass portion of my friends were planning to vote this fall. Political and apolitical, this s*** is still somewhat new so the dynamics of a primary wasn’t smth we fully understand mechanics of yet but everyone knows the general and a s*** ton of my friends (atleast 50%) were planning on voting

Before covid hit and biden become the nom atleast

imo, Bernie would be awful for the current moment. He and his supporters would be pushing the Defund the Police movement, which is not really popular. He’d be a huge target for the GOP and probably would lose a bit of moderate support and from the Never Trump Republicans

hey ive got a secret for u

independent doesn't mean moderate and never trump republicans aren't actually a thing.

It may be a small portion of the GOP but they do exist. And it matters considering Trump only won the election by 77k votes across 3 states

They exist in places that aren't voting Republican lmao