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  • If you believe that going to war is wrong, and placing sanctions is also wrong, what other recourse does a country have if another country is acting up

  • Enpax

    If you believe that going to war is wrong, and placing sanctions is also wrong, what other recourse does a country have if another country is acting up

    i think we let iran get help. get the same safety and medical measures damn near the rest of the world is getting during this pandemic (iran being hit specifically hard)

    if we truly care about the innocent civilians we are “helping” by doing this s*** to iran, now is the time to show as such

  • DickerSpaniel

    i think we let iran get help. get the same safety and medical measures damn near the rest of the world is getting during this pandemic (iran being hit specifically hard)

    if we truly care about the innocent civilians we are “helping” by doing this s*** to iran, now is the time to show as such

    America should limit sanctions to allow JUST food and medicine. Also they should impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia too

  • DickerSpaniel

    i think we let iran get help. get the same safety and medical measures damn near the rest of the world is getting during this pandemic (iran being hit specifically hard)

    if we truly care about the innocent civilians we are “helping” by doing this s*** to iran, now is the time to show as such

    America should limit sanctions to allow JUST food and medicine. Also they should impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia too

  • Enpax

    America should limit sanctions to allow JUST food and medicine. Also they should impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia too

    oh yeah them not treating SA the same as these other places been f***ed, but we know why

    and if by “medicine” you also mean like medical supplies like masks, sanitizer, etc then yeah - don’t know how much other s*** they’d even be buying like that atm tho i know they getting hit hard asf over there, especially their government

    a lot of those countries over their have huge population age gaps too, so their situations are a little different than our’s would be here, considering how big their divide in generations is

  • Enpax

    If you believe that going to war is wrong, and placing sanctions is also wrong, what other recourse does a country have if another country is acting up

    but they don’t need to have sanctions that severely punish the citizens. if you’re actively playing a role in killing innocents then you can’t be surprised that there will be growing resentment towards you.

    if doctors really are sharing masks in iran then it shows how far this nonsense has gone

  • KELYE

    but they don’t need to have sanctions that severely punish the citizens. if you’re actively playing a role in killing innocents then you can’t be surprised that there will be growing resentment towards you.

    if doctors really are sharing masks in iran then it shows how far this nonsense has gone

    America isn’t the only country in the world. There are other places Iran can get the medical equipment they need. That being said, I do think the US should allow any and all food or medical supplies to be traded with any country. I’m just saying that people were mad at US sanctions before this crisis, calling them human rights violations or something. If that’s the case then how else could a country be deterred

  • DickerSpaniel

    oh yeah them not treating SA the same as these other places been f***ed, but we know why

    and if by “medicine” you also mean like medical supplies like masks, sanitizer, etc then yeah - don’t know how much other s*** they’d even be buying like that atm tho i know they getting hit hard asf over there, especially their government

    a lot of those countries over their have huge population age gaps too, so their situations are a little different than our’s would be here, considering how big their divide in generations is

    Yeah, I mean like all medical equipment, or really anything that’s necessary for their survival

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  • ai

    so my issue here is that the as far im concerned the regime is mishandling the coronavirus issue and this would not have been a problem if the country had actual, proper leaders that don't wage jihad against a virus.

    idk what type of bait this is but lol.

  • Enpax

    If you believe that going to war is wrong, and placing sanctions is also wrong, what other recourse does a country have if another country is acting up

    If sanctions and war fixed everything, we'd live in paradise. Instead, we see a million dead Iraqis and the most vulnerable people in sanctioned countries dying from famine/disease. Very much a "two wrongs" situation. Not a hard concept to grasp.

  • Why is the US abusing iran

  • Khamenei killed more people than the corona virus.

    The corona virus is killing more people than it should because of him.

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  • S u d o

    If sanctions and war fixed everything, we'd live in paradise. Instead, we see a million dead Iraqis and the most vulnerable people in sanctioned countries dying from famine/disease. Very much a "two wrongs" situation. Not a hard concept to grasp.

    I don’t support the war in Iraq, and once ahain you dodged the question. US full scale Sanctions are placed on cuba, Iran, Syria. Sudan, and Venezuela and in NONE of those countries are all food aid and exports banned. That’s not even including the fact that they’re (mostly) free to trade with other countries. My point is, if you think both sanctions and war are wrong, then how is any country supposed to stopped

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    Enpax

    I don’t support the war in Iraq, and once ahain you dodged the question. US full scale Sanctions are placed on cuba, Iran, Syria. Sudan, and Venezuela and in NONE of those countries are all food aid and exports banned. That’s not even including the fact that they’re (mostly) free to trade with other countries. My point is, if you think both sanctions and war are wrong, then how is any country supposed to stopped

    Sanctions to those countries haven't done anything but increase hardship on the vulnerable. They do that very intentionally to create political unrest from the bottom. The point is to facilitate regime change and install a government more friendly to US geopolitics. The idea that the US deploys this soft power for "democracy" or "crimes against humanity" is demonstrably false given the myriad of countries we align with who carry out the same crimes. Israel and Saudi Arabia are actively carrying out genocide.

    You're asking how we should police the world without asking why we do or whether we should at all. These questions are inextricable from each other. We have the resources to change the world, but the world is not easily reduced to "good guys" and "bad guys". The US loves using that to pick whichever guy is friendly to their interests and calling them the good ones. Rarely do they luck into an ISIS or a Hitler. The results of our support speak for themselves. It's a losing game with disastrous consequences.

    Want to help Venezuela or whoever? Send them aid instead of using footage of their people eating rats to manufacture a narrative to set the stage for an invasion that will kill many innocent people. Help them materially. Don't pick from a list of ways to hurt their leaders into capitulating so they'll sell off their natural resources and let the US siphon wealth off their markets.

  • S u d o

    Sanctions to those countries haven't done anything but increase hardship on the vulnerable. They do that very intentionally to create political unrest from the bottom. The point is to facilitate regime change and install a government more friendly to US geopolitics. The idea that the US deploys this soft power for "democracy" or "crimes against humanity" is demonstrably false given the myriad of countries we align with who carry out the same crimes. Israel and Saudi Arabia are actively carrying out genocide.

    You're asking how we should police the world without asking why we do or whether we should at all. These questions are inextricable from each other. We have the resources to change the world, but the world is not easily reduced to "good guys" and "bad guys". The US loves using that to pick whichever guy is friendly to their interests and calling them the good ones. Rarely do they luck into an ISIS or a Hitler. The results of our support speak for themselves. It's a losing game with disastrous consequences.

    Want to help Venezuela or whoever? Send them aid instead of using footage of their people eating rats to manufacture a narrative to set the stage for an invasion that will kill many innocent people. Help them materially. Don't pick from a list of ways to hurt their leaders into capitulating so they'll sell off their natural resources and let the US siphon wealth off their markets.

    The US already sends food aid to Venezuela, North Korea etc. all it does is keep hostile governments in power because they have less to worry about (not saying the US should stop giving these countries aid tho). My point is that whether the countries should be sanctioned or not is besides the point that sanctions in themeselves should not be considered immoral. Also, I wouldn’t exactly mind if Saudi Arabia and Israel were sanctioned too, the American governmnent is hypocritical. What I’m saying is the solution should be to sanction more countries, not less

  • Enpax

    The US already sends food aid to Venezuela, North Korea etc. all it does is keep hostile governments in power because they have less to worry about (not saying the US should stop giving these countries aid tho). My point is that whether the countries should be sanctioned or not is besides the point that sanctions in themeselves should not be considered immoral. Also, I wouldn’t exactly mind if Saudi Arabia and Israel were sanctioned too, the American governmnent is hypocritical. What I’m saying is the solution should be to sanction more countries, not less

    Sanctions put the squeeze on innocent civilians in order to prompt unrest. The entire point is to increasing suffering to a find a breaking point. It's exacerbating bad conditions. The immorality is apparent.

  • S u d o

    Sanctions put the squeeze on innocent civilians in order to prompt unrest. The entire point is to increasing suffering to a find a breaking point. It's exacerbating bad conditions. The immorality is apparent.

    I know what the point is, what I’m saying is that it’s not literally starving them. If the governments of these countries really cared about their people, they could easily get food aid, and they already do

  • STAR WARS FUR

    Khamenei killed more people than the corona virus.

    The corona virus is killing more people than it should because of him.

    this is how i know you’re full of s*** my guy

    you keep talking about how you’re for the people of iran but only when it’s by corruption from iranian leaders. if it’s by US or other western countries you couldn’t give a s***

    doctors sharing masks cannot cope with the virus.

    innocents shouldn’t be punished because of their leaders.

  • because he's one of the biggest idiots on this site, sadly the internet is full of people like him

  • Let it be know that Iran requested aid from the IMF to combat coronavirus, but every effort was blocked by the US.

  • STAR WARS FUR

    ai

    so my issue here is that the as far im concerned the regime is mishandling the coronavirus issue and this would not have been a problem if the country had actual, proper leaders that don't wage jihad against a virus.

    idk what type of bait this is but lol.

    In light of the sanctions imposed by the US and its allies, it’s next to impossible for Iran to request any aid from the resources made available recently to contain the spread of the virus. Iran has exhausted every effort to cooperate, turned to the world and got every request for help denied.

  • Enpax

    America should limit sanctions to allow JUST food and medicine. Also they should impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia too

    Food and medicine were never sanctioned to begin with!!! Iran refused aid from America to help manage the corona virus. I saw with my own two eyes on tv an iranian official go on air and say food and medicine were never sanctioned and the offer is all a show and part of America's propaganda.

    Iranians actually got pissed because months earlier their liar president had said these evil westerners sanction food and medicine.
    They get caught up in their own lies all the time. What I'm saying is a fact and tv footages of their speeches are available if you don't believe me.

    The sad thing is the iranian officials and their family members take advantage of these situations. They hide the medicine in storages and sell them in black market. They are the ones killing innocent people.... again this is a fact, and a number of storage facilities have been found by people and tv footage of such storage places are available if you don't believe me.

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