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This is the thing those women are protesting in the NBA games. I don't think they should be running on the floor at pro sports games because that isn't fair or safe for the players, but this thread isn't about that. For better or worse they succeeded in making me learn about the chicken incident.

I'm not well informed about bird flu, and while I care about animal cruelty, I'm not trying to have any more animal born illnesses affecting human life so killing these chickens may be a necessary evil. Whether chickens should be farmed in such a cruel way (intense confinement) is another element here, since that is theoretically what leads to the higher risk of bird flu outbreaks. Idk how I feel, I mean I would love all chickens to be free range but I also like eating chicken for a reasonable price.

In terms of the method of killing them, idk that there is a good way to kill millions of chickens. Suffocating them with gas might not be any better or worse than other ways.

What are your thoughts?

Y'all know what imma f***in say

Many of the worst diseases in recent history have been zoonotic in origin, couple that with 80% of antibiotics being fed to livestock, kept in horrificly disgusting conditions, and you have a breeding ground for antibiotic resistant diseases and illnesses.

Animal agriculture is responsible for up to 91% of Amazon destruction.

Margulis, Sergio. "Causes of Deforestation of the Brazilian Amazon". World Bank Working Paper No. 22. 2003 Tabuchi, Hiroko, Rigny, Claire & White, Jeremy. "Amazon Deforestation, Once Tamed, Comes Roaring Back". New York Times. February 2017(New) Bellantonio, Marisa, et al. "The Ultimate Mystery Meat: Exposing the Secrets Behind Burger King and Global Meat Production". Mighty Earth (New) Oppenlander, Richard A. Food Choice and Sustainability: Why Buying Local, Eating Less Meat, and Taking Baby Steps Won’t Work. . Minneapolis, MN : Langdon Street, 2013. Print.

Ten thousand years ago, 99% of biomass (i.e. zoomass) was wild animals. Today, humans and the animals that we raise as food make up 98% of the zoomass.

Ede, Sharon. "The Bomb is Still Ticking...". Post growth: From bigger towards better. November 2010 Smil, Vaclav. "Harvesting the Biosphere: The Human Impact". Population and Development Review 37 (4): 613-636 (December 2011)

80% of antibiotic sold in the US are for livestock.

Loglisci, Ralph. "New FDA Number's Reveal Food Animals Consume Lion's Share of Antibiotics". Center for a livable future. December 2010 II "2009 Summary Report on Antimicrobials Sold or Distributed for Use in Food-Producing Animals". FDA: Department of Health and Human Services. September, 2014 II Zuraw, Lydia. "2015 in Review: Animal Antibiotics". Food Safety News. December 2015 II Flanders, Timothy F, RN, CNP, PHD, et al. "A Review of Antibiotic Use in Food Animals: Perspective, Policy, and Potential". Public Health Reports 2012 Jan-Feb; 127 (1): 4-22

82% of starving children live in countries where food is fed to animals, and the animals are eaten by western countries.

"Improving Child Nutrition: The achievable imperative for global progress". UNICEF. April 2013 "Livestock production index". The World Bank II "Global livestock production systems". Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. Rome 2011

There is a disproportionate number of hog facilities located near communities of color and low income communities.

Macneil, Caeleigh "Hog waste threatens North Carolina's rural poor". The (Duke) Chronicle. March 28, 2016

70 billion farmed animals are reared annually worldwide. More than 6 million animals are killed for food every hour.

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Unfortunate that the mishandling and mass production of our food is what leads to disasters like this. It is sad that all of those animals bred to die had to just die for a risk.

I also enjoy having chicken for a reasonable price but I would be willing to pay a bit more (maybe 50 cent, $1 by the pound more? Idk) if it meant better living conditions for them, which would better meat for us. And we have options today, lab grown meat that is supposed to have the same taste, texture, and nutritional value, that could be sold for less.

It's spreading all over the states as well as canada due to migration patterns of words

just shows you that vegetarianism the way forward, it's good for health reasons, good for the climate and also ethics

what is your general thought on what we should be doing? eat less or no meat so that we need to produce far less livestock products? are you vegan?

btw @op free range chickens is a by-product of marketing and doesn't really mean anything in terms of wellness for the animals.

yeah I'm vegan. i think everyone should be moving towards veganism as the baseline.

yea true i just saw a tiktok about this saying "pasture raised" is what you should be buying if you buy eggs. this means they live outside, supposedly.

same has been happening for a while in NL too

That's just 2 million dollars worth of chicken

Big companies don't care

that's free run not free range (picture)

Significantly cut down anislmal agriculture aka eat lessmeat/animal products. It makes no sense to grow perfectly good crops just to give most of it to animals for a few years just so you can get a chicken breast at the end of it. Way more efficient to just give the crops straight to the people who need it

Animal agriculture is also a major source of pollution in the west. If politicians really gave a s*** about climate change they would regulate the f*** out of it but it makes too much money, so they dont

"The USDA’s (and industry standard) definition for “Free Range” is that birds must have “outdoor access” or “access to the outdoors.” In some cases, this can mean access only through a “pop hole,” with no full-body access to the outdoors and no minimum space requirement."

certifiedhumane.org/free-range-and-pasture-raised-officially-defined-by-hfac-for-certified-humane-label

Could be a tiny door not pictured. Either way, my point that it's marketing still stands. Chickens are still bred to be so grossly huge that their legs often break under their own weight, they are still debeaked, the male chicks are still gassed, suffocated, or ground up as they are a waste product in the eyes of the industry.

vegans and vegetarians won

I agree, and I also think it's tough to turn omnivores into herbivores. personally, it would be hard for me to give up meat.

but that is what's needed here given the exponential rise in human population. putting aside the disparity between first world and third world animal product distribution for a moment, producing meat for the human population is a problem because of these ill effects in terms of global warming and disease.

as someone said, maybe lab-raised meat could be the answer as technology progresses.

Viruses aren't the target of antibiotics

Guess I’m taking another chicken break. Something internally was telling me to stop.

but u still know what i mean and understand the horrors on displa

edited for clarity however

just reduce your intake of meat and animal products. it doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing.

it's never been a better time in terms of products to try a plant based diet