mr get dough

3mo

Man stfu

2words

3mo

Of course, feels like you’re arguing something I didn’t really say. The thread didn’t imply to me that the artists have to hate each other. Andre wasn’t fw big boi during that period though it would seem not saying they had a serious problem but they literally wasn’t fw each other just on a physical level they wasn’t around each other. Thought that applied, cause the Fleetwood Mac situation has nuance too and isn’t people who outright hated each other lol

Him Possible

3mo

Didn't Hov and R. Kelly hate each other when they made their forgotten collab album?

Mr Carter

3mo

whole lotta assumptions in this post based on how you personally view their statements. not saying you foul for this but this isnt any more valid than people saying they cool, even less so since it contradicts what they've said

WESLEY THE GREAT

3mo

I think even if we’re just talking about Idlewild and the double album, I don’t think that automatically meant they didn’t like each other during that period or Andre didn’t like Big Boi just because Andre shifted the type of music he was doing during that time period.

They easily could’ve split up after Stankonia and released that double album as 2 solos but they both chose to release it together under the group name and Big Boi rapped on The Love Below and Andre produced on Speakerboxx. If they REALLY weren’t f***ing with each other, why would they do all of that?

2words

3mo

Again I ain’t saying they straight up hated each other but there was obvious distance and to me that constitutes a mention in a thread like this, even if it’s not semantically a 1:1 match to thread title

But also it’s more than Andre’s musical taste changing bro and I assume you know this

It’s also about lifestyle. Andre stopped touring with Big Boi not only taking different buses for Stankonia but then declining to tour for the double album. and Andre just said in an interview recently that he still hates being around rappers or in the studio with rappers or people who smoke. It’s not the music but the lifestyle, Andre straight up decided he wanted to hang around Big Boi less. Ain’t that not lowkey not fw someone?

This part is an assumption but it seems like Andre thought he outgrew Big Boi

WESLEY THE GREAT

3mo

I feel like the last part points more to Andres social anxiety ramping up in the early 2000s versus him having any sort of negative feelings against Big Boi. Which Is the main factor of why Outkast stopped.

I feel like if there was actual negativity between the 2, it would’ve been documented.

2words

3mo

That’s the cleaned version tbh and if it makes you feel good I’m not gonna hold you, it’s for the fans I guess. I wouldn’t use the terms “bad blood” but there was obviously some strain on their dynamic and relationship. Big Boi was always down but Andre lost interest and wanted to ride on a different bus and separated himself socially. That’s why the last two albums weren’t made together and they probably barely spent time in this period. Even though Big Boi would never say it publicly because he’s a class act, I’m sure he felt disappointed that he was showing Andre The Way You Move and Bowtie and couldn’t get a verse from him. and he implied in an interview that Andre’s changes were hard for him to understand even though he obviously rode it out. Safe to say there’s a little more there than just the “me and dre still good outkast forever” which was always his public stance, credit to him.

Imagine being in the biggest rap group ever and then your partner who is the bigger star bails on you completely. The examples in OP wasn’t some crazy beef so I felt like nuanced tension and distance between artists that are separating like that still applies. Rumors was made by separating couples, Speakerboxx and Idlewild were made by separating friends. And you can go ahead and tell me Dre goes and sees big boi’s son but from Andre’s own interviews he basically says he can’t hang out with any rappers or anyone who smokes so I doubt they see each other much. They want us to think they’re cooler than they are. Me and you probably speak more than Dre and Big Boi

babylon sherm

3mo

I don’t think Mobb Deep were seeing eye to eye post Murda Musik, am I wrong about that? I remember hearing Havoc didn’t f*** with Prodigy’s solo s*** like that

Vino

3mo

3stacks just became heavily disinterested and uninspired, especially with being a celebrity. He already spoke openly about how much he regretted keeping Big Boi from all the money they could have made but Big Boi has always been supportive of his brother and stood by “whenever he’s ready, I’m ready. He figuring himself out and that’s my brother for life”

2words

3mo

That’s the cleaned version tbh and if it makes you feel good I’m not gonna hold you, it’s for the fans I guess. I wouldn’t use the terms “bad blood” but there was obviously some strain on their dynamic and relationship. Big Boi was always down but Andre lost interest and wanted to ride on a different bus and separated himself socially. That’s why the last two albums weren’t made together and they probably barely spent time in this period. Even though Big Boi would never say it publicly because he’s a class act, I’m sure he felt disappointed that he was showing Andre The Way You Move and Bowtie and couldn’t get a verse from him. and he implied in an interview that Andre’s changes were hard for him to understand even though he obviously rode it out. Safe to say there’s a little more there than just the “me and dre still good outkast forever” which was always his public stance, credit to him.

Imagine being in the biggest rap group ever and then your partner who is the bigger star bails on you completely. The examples in OP wasn’t some crazy beef so I felt like nuanced tension and distance between artists that are separating like that still applies. Rumors was made by separating couples, Speakerboxx and Idlewild were made by separating friends. And you can go ahead and tell me Dre goes and sees big boi’s son but from Andre’s own interviews he basically says he can’t hang out with any rappers or anyone who smokes so I doubt they see each other much. They want us to think they’re cooler than they are. Me and you probably speak more than Dre and Big Boi

Smacked Voodoo

3mo

Andre 3000 literally went to the HS and college graduations of Big Boi's oldest son...they're obviously still very close if 3000 is doing that

Noir

3mo

Outkast were two friends and artists who grew apart. They're still friends though.

Much less toxic than what was going on with Fleetwood Mac, who were cheating on each other and having fights in the studio parking lot over what songs were going to make it onto the album.

2words

3mo

I take some of Andre’s comments like “I can’t be around n**** smoking all day” as something adjacent to negativity. Again, at least enough for this thread, not saying actual bad blood. It doesn’t take much reading between the lines to see that when andre began to view himself as above hip hop he also separated himself from Big Boi and probably didn’t think he was on his level as an artist or person. He views rap as “just something we did as a kid, I can’t still be in the playground” so by proxy, it would seem that he views Big Boi as less mature than himself since he still raps and smokes.

babylon sherm

3mo

I don’t think Mobb Deep were seeing eye to eye post Murda Musik, am I wrong about that? I remember hearing Havoc didn’t f*** with Prodigy’s solo s*** like that

mr get dough

3mo

You even said it yourself, they grew apart its not that they don’t fw each other

You purposely word things a certain way for engagement and I feel like a dumbass for even engaging so this is all I’ll say. You do this every day on here lmao

2words

3mo

It’s true yall read my posts in bad faith.

Experiment626

3mo

wild cause I was going to say Tribe but didn’t have much to back it up

didn’t know this