Oct 13, 2022
OrangutanDidn’t even know fines for crimes like this could get even a fraction of that high
Ordinarily it wouldn’t be. If the tweet in OP can be trusted, it is because he financially profited from it. But profited from it, for up to even half a billion? I’d be surprised if that were true.
- Oct 13, 2022
babylon shermA billi a billi a billi a billi abill abill
Oct 13, 2022
krishna boundi agree he's liable and should be fined but $1B just seems insanely out of proportion
for reference BP actually killed 15 people due to purposeful corporate negligence in 2020 and was only fined $51 million
ExxonMobil purposefully breached the US Clear Air Act for several years while being caught in a lobbying corruption scandal to get away with it and was only fined $589M
Shell violated 500+ environmental violations including 5 releated to the Clear Air Act and was fined only $394M
Bank of America actively stole money from its clients, violated federal law several times over, lied about insurance, failed to disburse benefits from govt funding, and lied about it to congress and was fined only $225M
Pharma companies participated in price-fixing for d**** (which resulted in a 10000% price hike) as well as lying to congress about it and engaging in corporate conspiracy and were fined only $400M
Criminal fines for opioid crisis-related charges were only between $225-635 million
just to give you an idea of the scale of this. sorry but while i think jones should be fine and held accountable the comparison of fines here is
(for the record OBVIOUSLY corporate fines should be exponentially higher for the above)Shell is out here destroying Nigeria and holding the government hostage, but somehow they still running.
Oct 13, 2022
SIGHFunny all these "false flags" are meant for the government to crack down on guns... but that crackdown has never happened.
I remember gun nuts spouting all this
now damn near anyone in my state can get a gun no problem
Oct 13, 2022·1 replykrishna boundi agree he's liable and should be fined but $1B just seems insanely out of proportion
for reference BP actually killed 15 people due to purposeful corporate negligence in 2020 and was only fined $51 million
ExxonMobil purposefully breached the US Clear Air Act for several years while being caught in a lobbying corruption scandal to get away with it and was only fined $589M
Shell violated 500+ environmental violations including 5 releated to the Clear Air Act and was fined only $394M
Bank of America actively stole money from its clients, violated federal law several times over, lied about insurance, failed to disburse benefits from govt funding, and lied about it to congress and was fined only $225M
Pharma companies participated in price-fixing for d**** (which resulted in a 10000% price hike) as well as lying to congress about it and engaging in corporate conspiracy and were fined only $400M
Criminal fines for opioid crisis-related charges were only between $225-635 million
just to give you an idea of the scale of this. sorry but while i think jones should be fine and held accountable the comparison of fines here is
(for the record OBVIOUSLY corporate fines should be exponentially higher for the above)Can’t really compare. Billion ruins a person, slap on the wrist for a company.
Oct 13, 2022krishna boundi agree he's liable and should be fined but $1B just seems insanely out of proportion
for reference BP actually killed 15 people due to purposeful corporate negligence in 2020 and was only fined $51 million
ExxonMobil purposefully breached the US Clear Air Act for several years while being caught in a lobbying corruption scandal to get away with it and was only fined $589M
Shell violated 500+ environmental violations including 5 releated to the Clear Air Act and was fined only $394M
Bank of America actively stole money from its clients, violated federal law several times over, lied about insurance, failed to disburse benefits from govt funding, and lied about it to congress and was fined only $225M
Pharma companies participated in price-fixing for d**** (which resulted in a 10000% price hike) as well as lying to congress about it and engaging in corporate conspiracy and were fined only $400M
Criminal fines for opioid crisis-related charges were only between $225-635 million
just to give you an idea of the scale of this. sorry but while i think jones should be fine and held accountable the comparison of fines here is
(for the record OBVIOUSLY corporate fines should be exponentially higher for the above)Insane actually. I had no idea about Bank Of America either smh
Oct 13, 2022babylon shermA billi a billi a billi a billi abill abill
Oct 13, 2022·1 replyWhat’s the point of fining him for more than he has?
- Oct 13, 2022·1 replyPlankton
Can’t really compare. Billion ruins a person, slap on the wrist for a company.
that's the point, it's completely out of proportion
Oct 13, 2022whats the most amount of money one person has been fined without receiving jail time
Oct 13, 2022·2 repliesYou think they’re using his (dumb) Sandy Hook claims as payback for him exposing something else that was legit?
- Oct 13, 2022·1 replykrishna bound
i agree he's liable and should be fined but $1B just seems insanely out of proportion
for reference BP actually killed 15 people due to purposeful corporate negligence in 2020 and was only fined $51 million
ExxonMobil purposefully breached the US Clear Air Act for several years while being caught in a lobbying corruption scandal to get away with it and was only fined $589M
Shell violated 500+ environmental violations including 5 releated to the Clear Air Act and was fined only $394M
Bank of America actively stole money from its clients, violated federal law several times over, lied about insurance, failed to disburse benefits from govt funding, and lied about it to congress and was fined only $225M
Pharma companies participated in price-fixing for d**** (which resulted in a 10000% price hike) as well as lying to congress about it and engaging in corporate conspiracy and were fined only $400M
Criminal fines for opioid crisis-related charges were only between $225-635 million
just to give you an idea of the scale of this. sorry but while i think jones should be fine and held accountable the comparison of fines here is
(for the record OBVIOUSLY corporate fines should be exponentially higher for the above)I think what’s different here is this was all done by a person with malicious intent even when presented with the details of what was happening at that point. Continued to drill in to dead kids parents. he profited off that very intentionally while knowing what was going on and continuing it.
Oct 13, 2022·1 replychiliYou think they’re using his (dumb) Sandy Hook claims as payback for him exposing something else that was legit?
Lol
- Oct 13, 2022ganger
Lol
Oct 13, 2022·1 replyF***in hell but yeah f*** him for that s***
- Oct 13, 2022SIGH
I think what’s different here is this was all done by a person with malicious intent even when presented with the details of what was happening at that point. Continued to drill in to dead kids parents. he profited off that very intentionally while knowing what was going on and continuing it.
all of those corporations did stuff with malicious intent too though. if anything even worse or at least comparable intent if you want to consider the Jones suit more of a suit of InfoWars than him for a business profiting off of malicious intent. Like I said, I don't disagree he should be fined or similar, but the comparative ruling on the extent of the fines seem incredibly extreme and off-base for this type of offense. I mean defamation cases tend to be worth millions, but a billion? One of the largest ever general internet defamation lawsuit was $40 million by comparison (source: robertdmitchell.com/internet-defamation) - even more targeted ones were around $14 million (source: abcnews.go.com/Business/jury-awards-13-million-texas-defamation-suit-anonymous/story?id=16194071). I think what Jones did and enabled is absolutely terrible but as terrible by comparison as the fines divied out elsewhere? I think things need to re-balanced a bit.
- Oct 13, 2022·1 replykrishna bound
that's the point, it's completely out of proportion
They are trying to ruin Jones though, whereas with a company there is no realistic way to fine them enough to ruin them. So it makes sense.
- Oct 13, 2022·1 replyPlankton
They are trying to ruin Jones though, whereas with a company there is no realistic way to fine them enough to ruin them. So it makes sense.
there is definitely a way to fine companies enough to ruin them
- Oct 13, 2022BMZ
F***in hell but yeah f*** him for that s***
x100
Imagine grieving your child and some nut calling it a conspiracy and his followers harassing you and threatening you. S*** is SUPER f***ed up.
- Oct 13, 2022·1 replykrishna bound
there is definitely a way to fine companies enough to ruin them
A company like BP or BoA? Come on now
- Oct 13, 2022·1 replyPlankton
A company like BP or BoA? Come on now
you can push real reform on companies who maliciously break the law if actually you want to. there are many points in american history where this has been done.
the argument of "actually we can't do it because of..." is almost always pre-empted by an excuse where the worry is some sort of thought experiment about acting according to a quasi-ethical structure (which barely exists anyway) rather than actually doing anything meaningful or worthwhile. if you say otherwise you're just capping for big businesses - Oct 13, 2022·edited·1 replykrishna bound
you can push real reform on companies who maliciously break the law if actually you want to. there are many points in american history where this has been done.
the argument of "actually we can't do it because of..." is almost always pre-empted by an excuse where the worry is some sort of thought experiment about acting according to a quasi-ethical structure (which barely exists anyway) rather than actually doing anything meaningful or worthwhile. if you say otherwise you're just capping for big businesses I was gonna say just revoke their charter at that point. Definitely not what someone capping for big business would say. At the same time big business is not inherently bad either, and social constructs like contract law do have their value.
Oct 13, 2022crazy how this went down
- Oct 13, 2022Plankton
I was gonna say just revoke their charter at that point. Definitely not what someone capping for big business would say. At the same time big business is not inherently bad either, and social constructs like contract law do have their value.
Okay, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I don't think the problem is literally in terms of financial penalty but rather scale of punishment from which i'm just using that as a literal comparison.
Oct 13, 2022GEENOWhat’s the point of fining him for more than he has?
To let Mf’s know to stop playing