May 12, 2021·1 reply
MangoStarts with an attack on the White House where you get a secret service agent being humanized in a really cloying way who later shows up critiquing British aristocracy (while having defended a building that is meant to evoke the same power over the people). His life is threatened in that confrontation in a really manipulative way. Heroes being arms of the state goes examined. Same in the comics. They use Omni Man's imperialist ambition and racial supremacy as a way to paint this US intelligence network as ambivalent. But the show also starts doing a lot of representational recasting to obfuscate it further. Turning William gay, Amber black, the mother Korean. It's rather coercive and thin and uninspired. Maybe the comic and show turns into something more self-aware? If not it's pretty naive.
Feels like Amazon trying to compensate for The Boys being so cynical of power while copying its over-the-top violence right off the bat. It's like edgy Marvel I guess. I'd be okay it if the show offered something to compensate for it. It doesn't look great. The comic does, and it's a vision completely bereft of contemporary superficial pandering unlike the show.
this reeks of MAGA. Amber got turned black and she’s the most hated character on the show literally worse than omniman. So explain to me who they pandering too? If anything the show is reinforcing the dumbass black woman hate that racist cucks spew everyday. ( I’m not saying it does but I damn sure know how weirdos are gonna frame it that way to spew their bullshit)
- May 12, 2021·1 replyFaith
this reeks of MAGA. Amber got turned black and she’s the most hated character on the show literally worse than omniman. So explain to me who they pandering too? If anything the show is reinforcing the dumbass black woman hate that racist cucks spew everyday. ( I’m not saying it does but I damn sure know how weirdos are gonna frame it that way to spew their bullshit)
Noticing how a TV adaptation differs from a comic is MAGA. Noted.
May 12, 2021·1 reply
Lucky Luciano
Am I missing something here? Whats the significance of this pic?
Edit: oh f*** nvm
- May 12, 2021·1 replyMango
Noticing how a TV adaptation differs from a comic is MAGA. Noted.
Your post before is literally complaining about identity politics is that not what MAGA fools jump too? You also just read the first 4 lines and ignored the rest another MAGA strong suit
- May 12, 2021Faith
Your post before is literally complaining about identity politics is that not what MAGA fools jump too? You also just read the first 4 lines and ignored the rest another MAGA strong suit
Oh yeah, I'm not being nuanced enough or taking what you said in the proper context?
You led off slandering me after you clearly misread my post. I've made a ton of posts ITT on the subject of diversity in casting and offered specific examples of when I find it irksome: when it lends reactionary art a veneer of progressive credibility. More specifically when it involves the US military or adjacent entities in fiction. I've offered counter examples of writers like Ennis whose show is pretty diverse (and was diverse in the comic from the start) while also retaining a cynicism of power and how somebody's ethnic background factors into that power dynamic.
proper 🔩May 12, 2021·1 replyXANTAAm I missing something here? Whats the significance of this pic?
Edit: oh f*** nvm I don’t get it
May 13, 2021properI don’t get it
Lil white girl was with Martian Manhunter is the first episode
May 13, 2021·1 reply
JoshJust finished up the last issue
Damn how was it? What did you think of it as a whole thing?
Side comment but talking about the comic in this thread and you randomly replying and also reading it at the same time and talking about it itt is the kind of nice s*** I love about this website. We just random people talking over the internet both reading and enjoying this thing and are able to discuss it
May 13, 2021·1 replyEverestComic book spoiler:
eve is sooo real
AMBER COULD NEVER
Lmao Amber hate is so corny forreal
May 13, 2021MangoStarts with an attack on the White House where you get a secret service agent being humanized in a really cloying way who later shows up critiquing British aristocracy (while having defended a building that is meant to evoke the same power over the people). His life is threatened in that confrontation in a really manipulative way. Heroes being arms of the state goes examined. Same in the comics. They use Omni Man's imperialist ambition and racial supremacy as a way to paint this US intelligence network as ambivalent. But the show also starts doing a lot of representational recasting to obfuscate it further. Turning William gay, Amber black, the mother Korean. It's rather coercive and thin and uninspired. Maybe the comic and show turns into something more self-aware? If not it's pretty naive.
Feels like Amazon trying to compensate for The Boys being so cynical of power while copying its over-the-top violence right off the bat. It's like edgy Marvel I guess. I'd be okay it if the show offered something to compensate for it. It doesn't look great. The comic does, and it's a vision completely bereft of contemporary superficial pandering unlike the show.
I prefer the comic as well btw
- May 13, 2021Everest· edited
Damn that fight with Mark vs. Conquest
Whenever they get to that on the show, they gotta nail it & make that one of the craziest fights in tv history
The animation better be ON POINT
- May 13, 2021
Millz
- May 13, 2021·3 repliesDonJuanCherryTempo
Lmao Amber hate is so corny forreal
A lot of people don't like her after that reveal scene. Everytime I talk to somebody about the show irl they usually bring up how much they hate her.
- May 13, 2021Everest
Damn how was it? What did you think of it as a whole thing?
Side comment but talking about the comic in this thread and you randomly replying and also reading it at the same time and talking about it itt is the kind of nice s*** I love about this website. We just random people talking over the internet both reading and enjoying this thing and are able to discuss it
I thought it was fantastic and I really miss reading it. It made me more hype for the show and to see how they’re gonna recreate things. It honestly gets better and better as you keep going. I’d definitely go back and read it again some other time.
I agree. It reminded me of the discussions during WandaVision kinda sorta.
- May 13, 2021·1 reply9thWonderful
A lot of people don't like her after that reveal scene. Everytime I talk to somebody about the show irl they usually bring up how much they hate her.
bc the love interest isn’t perfectly understanding and willing to go along with the “main characters” bullshit she’s somehow the worst character on the show? A show with REX?!
Mark lost her because he couldn’t handle their relationship and he thought he could hold it together with flimsy lies. Mark didn’t have faith their relationship could withstand the truth which is understandable but why should Amber have faith in a relationship that mark doesn’t? If you’re telling me Amber was just supposed to knowingly accept being treated like a f***ing dummy you’re probably a sociopath with main character syndrome looking for a “pet”
And then after all that Amber didn’t go back to him for clout or some other bullshit. He just lost his father and she went to offer the support he needed. I love the show but this Amber discourse is getting embarrassing. It’s a f***ing trope that the superhero can’t meet the standards of a normal relationship, being super or the main character doesn’t automatically put you in the right. that’s sociopath s*** and I’m not sure how the writing of the show lead people to think otherwise when William AND Eve told mark he f***ed up
- May 13, 2021·1 replyMango
Starts with an attack on the White House where you get a secret service agent being humanized in a really cloying way who later shows up critiquing British aristocracy (while having defended a building that is meant to evoke the same power over the people). His life is threatened in that confrontation in a really manipulative way. Heroes being arms of the state goes examined. Same in the comics. They use Omni Man's imperialist ambition and racial supremacy as a way to paint this US intelligence network as ambivalent. But the show also starts doing a lot of representational recasting to obfuscate it further. Turning William gay, Amber black, the mother Korean. It's rather coercive and thin and uninspired. Maybe the comic and show turns into something more self-aware? If not it's pretty naive.
Feels like Amazon trying to compensate for The Boys being so cynical of power while copying its over-the-top violence right off the bat. It's like edgy Marvel I guess. I'd be okay it if the show offered something to compensate for it. It doesn't look great. The comic does, and it's a vision completely bereft of contemporary superficial pandering unlike the show.
William was already gay and mark / Debbie were always Asian so your complaints about “representational recasting” are really weird
May 13, 20219thWonderfulA lot of people don't like her after that reveal scene. Everytime I talk to somebody about the show irl they usually bring up how much they hate her.
Tbh, the whole reveal thing was v poorly written - if amber knew mark's identity, why tf would she get mad when he "disappeared". Like, you knew that was him saving yall from those cyborgs
But it makes no sense to me to outright hate a character because of a poorly written instance.
May 13, 2021Last fight was brutal af. this show has hella potential
- May 13, 2021·1 replyDonJuanCherryTempo
William was already gay and mark / Debbie were always Asian so your complaints about “representational recasting” are really weird
Feel free to read back through the extensive discussion we've had about this instead of just commenting on the first post.
- May 13, 2021Mango
Feel free to read back through the extensive discussion we've had about this instead of just commenting on the first post.
Why are you assuming I didn’t
- May 13, 2021·1 replyEverest· edited
Damn that fight with Mark vs. Conquest
Whenever they get to that on the show, they gotta nail it & make that one of the craziest fights in tv history
Spoiler that s*** bro
- May 13, 2021RICKY 2320
Spoiler that s*** bro
Done mr rcky
I assumed it didn’t mean much because no one would know what Conquest is and knowing that mark fights someone isn’t a spoiler. But I tagged it anyways
May 13, 2021just watched the first two episodes
pretty damn good
so far ending of the first episode f\*\*\*ed me up
May 13, 2021·1 replyShow was amazing wow
- May 13, 2021·editedRareRarFiles
Show was amazing wow
im reading watchmen properly for the first time rn despite loving the movie and really really loving the tv show (and read watchmen, but i was too young to even know what was happening)
its soo good. your ava