flizzy 999

4y

In today’s situation the more streams you have the more money you earn PER stream. All you have to do is make it equal for every artists or switch it so you get more money per stream for less streams. How is this fair? Because indie artists will get more and successful artists will get less, but not significantly less and it doesn’t really affect them personally, just the label. Since it affects the label it will maybe encourage them to promote more artists instead of capitalizing only on their stars.

Hustle W

4y

thats not true tho. Spotify for example pools all the money they made for one month and divide it by number of streams that month.

The way Spotify and Apple Music pay artists is simple. They take all of the money generated from users, whether by advertisements or subscriptions, and put in a big pot. They then divide that pot by the total share of streams each artist received. So, if Apple Music gave $100 million of their revenues to artists in a month, and Drake songs accounted 1% of all streams that month, then Drake (and the writers of Drake’s songs) would receive $1 million.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1660465/the-way-spotify-and-apple-music-pays-artists-isnt-fair/amp/

safe

4y

They do
It’s unfairly balanced in favor of major artists right now
They get a larger relative piece of the pie

Yes only 2 should count. You’re obviously not in favor of that because all your threads are related to a song that is abusing that system but the fact that it’s being abused is an issue - they can buy copies for their friends but those additional copies shouldn’t count for chart position

Hustle W

4y

Chart postion is more debatable. Should only so many streams count then?

but I think they should 100% count for certifications

Hustle W

4y

Chart postion is more debatable. Should only so many streams count then?

but I think they should 100% count for certifications

safe

4y

Not necessarily and especially not for small artists
I tried this very thing myself to make money and Spotify removed the song from platforms despite the fact that I switched VPN regularly

Hustle W

4y

obviously if u only have one listener lmao

flizzy 999

4y

Let’s say Nicki says if you stream her song 1000 times you get a free T shirt, a lot of fans will stream the song and that is abusing the system and making the song chart high unorganically

safe

4y

Except that this actually as it stands now results in an unfair amount going to major label artists

Look this study
https://qz.com/1660465/the-way-spotify-and-apple-music-pays-artists-isnt-fair/

The issue is that the hours each user spends listening to music differs which results in an unfair split based on the revenue each user provides the service

Hustle W

4y

Its not an "unfair amount" its a certain pay per stream.

But basically you just debunked your own narrative that bigger artist make more per stream...

I think you are trying to say what the article was saying and that each user who for example pays $10 a month that $10 should be split amongst the artist they listen to instead of going into a big pot.

Your original post state one artsit can get more per stream then another artist which is false

safe

4y

I mean I wouldn’t be anti a limited amount of streams from one user counting

But in order for one user to stream the equivalent of 4 sold copies they’d have to stream the song 5000 times in one week which is physically impossible for any song that’s a reasonable length

safe

4y

Yea you right I misread what the percentages stood for

notesfromphilo

4y

haven't read this yet

but i feel like they should only count the sales

streams are not sales to me

they can count them separately if they want

but sales should be sales imo

even if you include the digital sales with the other merch

Hustle W

4y

I think we can agree that for instance person A pays $10 a month and only listens to one artist that $10 shoulnt go to anyone else.

I think this would actually help indie artist more

safe

4y

Yea 100%

Hustle W

4y

"Many people in the music industry would prefer a payment system that was “user-centric.” Under this system, each user’s payment would be distributed based on what they streamed. If half of a user’s streams are Rolling Stones songs and half are Beyoncé, then those two artists are the only ones who earn money from that user. In this case, all of Anna’s money would have gone to The Expressionists."

This is from the article you should change your orignal post to include this haha

Hustle W

4y

Read what OP wrote at least before commenting lol

notesfromphilo

4y

just read it

still standing by streams not equaling sales

notesfromphilo

4y

like, no amount of streams equals a sale to me

Hustle W

4y

what are you even referring to?

Hustle W

4y

1250 paid streams equals one album sale for bilboard
125 paid streams equals one song sale for bilboard

I think thats fair. How many songs do you have from 2020 that you streamed over 125 times?

notesfromphilo

4y

this is kind of my point

there are albums i've purchased that i love that i've never listened to that many times

in this era, i feel like it's needlessly complicated

if you purchased something, it should be a sale

if you are just streaming it, that's something else entirely imo

because i'll check out somebody's s*** if it's on steaming

but i'm not buying it

and even if i like your s***, i'm prolly not listening that many times

i feel like we are losing the battle if we get caught up in the values of the streams

of course i want artists to get more money

but that wouldn't be a good move for the streaming companies

so any proposal i support would be about creating real engagement between fans and artists

like twitch or patreon etc

i'm all for the money going directly to the artists

Hustle W

4y

It is counted differently lol

They use "pure" sales = physical and digital album purchases including bundles

TEA = Track equivalent albums which is individual song purchases 10 song purchases = 1 album sales

SEA = Stream equivalent albums which is 1250 paid streams is 1 unit and 3750 free is one unit.

They add all of these together to get the total "album equivalent units"

https://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming