A US congress person isn't Fidel Castro
Rashida Tlaib was always superior, and AOC is still objectively one of the better representatives. She does need bullied though. Preferably by her constituents instead of just left Twitter.
A US congress person isn't Fidel Castro
Rashida Tlaib was always superior, and AOC is still objectively one of the better representatives. She does need bullied though. Preferably by her constituents instead of just left Twitter.
she’s not beholden to constituents, just maintaining her position in the Democratic Party and hence her interests will never meaningfully go against the bourgeoisie
she’s not beholden to constituents, just maintaining her position in the Democratic Party and hence her interests will never meaningfully go against the bourgeoisie
They don't want her. She has an independent appeal whether she chooses to exercise it or not. That's threatening to the status quo she wishes to be a part of.
They'll replace her with someone totally beholden to them eventually.
They don't want her. She has an independent appeal whether she chooses to exercise it or not. That's threatening to the status quo she wishes to be a part of.
They'll replace her with someone totally beholden to them eventually.
in what world is AOC threatening the status quo
“She has independent appeal she just doesn’t use it”…. So she doesn’t have it?
Her “independent appeal” is for radlibs who think they are more radical than they actually are
If she was actually a threat she would’ve gotten kicked out the party. Her being sidelined and marginalized in comparison with more centrist dems isn’t a testament to how much she goes against the status quo and more just how decrepit American liberalism has become that even mild “social democrats” are called communists
in what world is AOC threatening the status quo
She isn't. She doesn't want to be. She has the capacity to be. She is a popular personality who can speak to a base without the DNC behind her.
That's enough of a reason to can her when they can.
“She has independent appeal she just doesn’t use it”…. So she doesn’t have it?
Her “independent appeal” is for radlibs who think they are more radical than they actually are
If she was actually a threat she would’ve gotten kicked out the party. Her being sidelined and marginalized in comparison with more centrist dems isn’t a testament to how much she goes against the status quo and more just how decrepit American liberalism has become that even mild “social democrats” are called communists
Mild social democrats are fringe in congress. Maybe not in your Marxist mind palace, but we're talking about congressional in-fighting.
She isn't. She doesn't want to be. She has the capacity to be. She is a popular personality who can speak to a base without the DNC behind her.
That's enough of a reason to can her when they can.
except she can’t and doesn’t have the capacity . Her getting out of politics and starting an independent movement/appeal would go the exact same way as all the magaheads who thought Trump would genuinely fight “the deep state”
On top of that, she is literally an elected politician right now and… isn’t doing anything. This is the time of all times to actually,,, appeal to the people
I’m not even sure where her politics lie, but outside of already being incorporated into the two party system she really has no meaningful stance on anything that actually changes that status quo
She’s serving her role exactly where the Democratic party wants her, controlled opposition t o curtail more radical would be liberals into maintaining hope in the Democratic Party, akin Bernie, and the rest of the squad
I’m sure she could gain a large following and hold nice rallies and even maybe get on ballot. But like nothing she materially does or even proposes challenges American imperialism lol
except she can’t and doesn’t have the capacity . Her getting out of politics and starting an independent movement/appeal would go the exact same way as all the magaheads who thought Trump would genuinely fight “the deep state”
On top of that, she is literally an elected politician right now and… isn’t doing anything. This is the time of all times to actually,,, appeal to the people
I’m not even sure where her politics lie, but outside of already being incorporated into the two party system she really has no meaningful stance on anything that actually changes that status quo
She’s serving her role exactly where the Democratic party wants her, controlled opposition t o curtail more radical would be liberals into maintaining hope in the Democratic Party, akin Bernie, and the rest of the squad
I’m sure she could gain a large following and hold nice rallies and even maybe get on ballot. But like nothing she materially does or even proposes challenges American imperialism lol
She was not the establishment candidate in the race so you're already wrong or just ill informed. She's also been treated like a punching bag by them. An arrangement of convenience perhaps.
This animus towards her is all part of some misplaced expectation of her. She's proven time and time again what she is. It's boring and complicit and still fringe by congressional standards. You could argue she misrepresented herself to get elected. That's par for the course.
She has a profile that most reps do not, especially Democrats. That is threatening to them. As evidenced by their behavior. As evidenced by their rhetoric.
Are her politics actually threatening to the establishment? Not at all. Neither of us think that. She is just definitely not the preferred hand of the party. She is preferable to that. She has a unique profile. None of this is controversial.
She was not the establishment candidate in the race so you're already wrong or just ill informed. She's also been treated like a punching bag by them. An arrangement of convenience perhaps.
This animus towards her is all part of some misplaced expectation of her. She's proven time and time again what she is. It's boring and complicit and still fringe by congressional standards. You could argue she misrepresented herself to get elected. That's par for the course.
She has a profile that most reps do not, especially Democrats. That is threatening to them. As evidenced by their behavior. As evidenced by their rhetoric.
Are her politics actually threatening to the establishment? Not at all. Neither of us think that. She is just definitely not the preferred hand of the party. She is preferable to that. She has a unique profile. None of this is controversial.
The point wasn’t whether she would be the establishment candidate, its whether those movements would actually challenge the status quo.
It is no surprise why someone even mildly to the left is not the establishment candidate for either party we don’t have to explain why that is, given the history of anti-communism, etc etc. we both know this im sure. It’s no surprise why America has a how much easier time running proto-fascists like Trump to win vs a Bernie sanders type to ever sniff the general.
Their rhetoric around AOC, Bernie, the squad, anyone in that camp is just anti-communism sentiments updated for neoliberalism in the 21st century. The fact that AOC gets demonized even within the wing of her own party isn’t actually a threat to the political base of the Dems itself.
The fact you already mentioned she’s compromised on her politics (which also isn’t the point, just standard politics) but goes against her actually being capable of being more than a talking head.
Trump getting demonized by establishment republicans (yes ignoring him being the candidate) doesn’t actually translate into Trump representing a genuine change to the status quo of America.
Trump (twice) is running on being some challenge to the status quo yet whatever he meaningfully did only expanded and escalated the imperialist agenda. Same with Obama.
But if you lean on the surface level that she gets shafted because of inner party politics and how the Democrats want to market themselves and whether they appear “too socialist”. Then maybe yeah
They don't want her. She has an independent appeal whether she chooses to exercise it or not. That's threatening to the status quo she wishes to be a part of.
They'll replace her with someone totally beholden to them eventually.
She’s a good foil imo
There’s always a subset of voters who will always be placated by her
She’s a good foil imo
There’s always a subset of voters who will always be placated by her
How does she placate voters outside of her constituency? You mean she gets press coverage? Yeah, she's a media darling/punching bag. That is out of convenience. She isn't secretly working for the DNC. She is explicitly doing that and is/likely will be rebuffed by them.
I don't understand the alleged duplicity. It was a projection and a campaign. The illusion has long past.
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can’t see it
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I was following this all up until the guy said Trump for president was an op and democrats helped Trump win just to stop Bernie. Maybe I read that wrong but just feels like some weird cope posting.