I always thought this but everytime I say it, it gives n uncomfortable feeling

I think this might happen too

That breakthru been happrned

Yeat being mainstream was the sign that change already been happening

An u b damned if u think drake dont know about summrs

Hmm... Honestly, you make good points, but lets start by comparing hip hop to art. Modern art became its own thing because people started breaking all the usual rules. Instead of following the same old techniques, artists did whatever they wanted, which led to all kinds of different styles. Think of Cubism, Surrealism, and Abstract art. None of those follow the traditional rules.

In fact, think of for example Rousseau, someone who was laughed at by critics cause he didn't have traditional skills, but he ended up being super f***ing famous and rich with many admirers. Despite the fact that he was just copy pasting a tiger. People preferred it over the same old style, again and again.

Hip hop used to place big emphasis on lyricism, flow, technical skills, storytelling, DJing, breakdancing, etc. Today, those old rules don’t matter anymore. People like Carti, Uzi and Yeat aren’t worried about complex lyrics. Nor do they care if people are doing graffiti, or breakdancing. They’re doing stuff in a way that wasn't seen as possible in the 90's or even the 00's.

Now the big difference of course is that art split into very distinct styles, which explored a lot of different things, whereas hip hop artists are now making very similar songs instead. But I feel like that's beyond saturated now.

In fact even that could be compared to art. When Impressionism arrived, it was considered revolutionary, but eventually Impressionism was saturated beyond belief, and that is when all those different styles emerged.

I think that very soon there will be a big breakaway from this current style, the options are there now that there is no more regulation.

what do you think?

Well firstly Hip-Hop is art so jot that down

Why are we comparing hiphop to art when hiphop is art in itself

The split in hiphop is not a matter of traditionalism vs progressivism

It’s about whether the creator treats hiphop primarily as an art form to express themself in or a product to sell for consumption (creations can be amounts of both but never equal)

Which then brings into question intention and effort. A lot of people think complaints about these things are a product of disconnect and time but when rappers are saying they’re only here for the money it adds a lot of validity to these concerns

should be a trending tweet

Obviously hip hop is art but im talking about "painted art", also known as art. Hence why i use the actual term instead of overtly specifying. And you know that is what i meant too....

Something different from any other era is how the youth and even the generation up till like 25-30 kinda s*** on “lyrical miracle” rappers and embrace labels dumbing s*** down lol

I get what you mean

I find it interesting to compare its trajectory to other things too lol

Need 2012 era back

Hip-hop has always had very distinct lanes and sounds it was just never formally categorized separately like the various rock categories.

I think a categorical formalization would help distinguish the different styles of hip-hop music for sure and would ease some tension between the fan bases of each. There’s something just that feels off about having albums like MMTBS, Astroworld and Swag 6 under the same umbrella. No judgement to either lane but they are so fundamentally different from each other that it may not be a bad idea to have subcategories

Also, hip-hop is art brother

Even the older generation up to 40+ do the same thing because they value being cool to the kids over being their leaders. Generation Y is severely disconnected from each other outside of their “cliques” and failing when it comes to leading the next generation, Z and Alpha

Go ask someone in the 30-40 age range for some advice and you’ll probably just get a listening ear but not an actual “here, let me let the ladder down for you and walk you thru the process of how you can get exactly here” cause they all so apathetic to life now.

As a result, art has severely suffered across the board

yea atp it’s undeniable as much as ppl try write off these underground rappers with their simple “who?” comments the times are changing. uk shts real when you got kai cenat posting diorvsyou & osa mason or drake talking about d f***ing savage going on plaqueboymaxs stream n olly production.

the way you doing splits your pants might rip

facts, slayworld is like the asap mob/YMCMB/members only etc. of this generation

The flattening of culture into a 2-D circle is some real s*** and not just some oldhead s***. Things are becoming homogeneous.