That’s a super common sample technique, take one chord and then just pitch it a few times, now you have a few chords. Good for house stuff and hip hop too. And usually you’re gonna put your own effects or sauce on the sound too

Not something I thought of for the case of outsmarting, it’s something I actually do. And my mind went there because it said it can detect one second samples. How about drum one shots as well? Very common for me to use a hat from an old record. Catching a hi hat would be crazy. It’s probably possible in theory and could catch a lot of things but the idea of catching a one second one shot of common instruments (especially while other things are playing on top of it) is hard to imagine at this stage

Ai is sample snitching now

Thank you for your clarification, especially from your perspective as a producer!

To me, this seems simply impossible to catch. DJPasta talks about pitch, tempo and general "texture" when it comes to detecting a lot of these things. I just don't have the knowledge to say how it could spot a one-shot you heavily manipulated
You say you could imagine how it could be done. How would you do it?

Well my understanding of how AI does these things is that it’s all based on the waveforms

So it does make some sense that even if I take Stevie Wonder playing a piano chord, and Paul McCartney playing the same piano chord, even if they sound similar to my ear, there’s information in the waveform that could potentially tip off an AI to what it actually is in the database.

And obviously it must have some ability to read through some degree of processing like time stretching from what this says, even pitch changes could probably be detected if you teach the AI about “transposing” in music somehow or it there’s information in the waveform that still tips it off regardless of pitch manipulation

The thing that would seem hardest for me to imagine how it work is when you have a bunch of layers. The original wave form would be so hidden by added drum sounds and bass and stuff. But there is “de-mixing technology” out there which can isolate stems now. So how I imagine it working is if they use that somehow for the AI to isolate each element, and THEN it can a***yze each part individually and see if it’s a sample

The more I talk about it the more I see we’re not that far off, but it would require a lot of steps. And I would still think there’s ways around it.

Sample laws in the 90s inspired producers to be more creative with flipping things and led to great art. If this inspires producers to be more creative with processing, it could have a similar effect, causing people to make great things they might not have

if u listen closely you can hear indie producers crying about sample snitching from a distance

In. Tired of f*** niggas being annoying about telling people what they sampled. Bro ain't nobody tryna steal the s***. I'm tryna hear the original song you sampling cause the song you made ripping it is f***in wack.

GunnAI or GoonnAI

Tyler the creator is shaking

Are there any examples of this AI actually finding obscure samples that were manipulated?

lobelia and DJPasta found 2 different samples using it on Face to Face - as exampled in the article

But outside the article I don't know!

It says it can detect one second samples, no mention of picking up 3 minute loops. Tyler might be safe

This is honestly so fascinating. I need to find if the tests are public. I'm going to reach out to Tracklib/Pasta

Man mfs doing too much with this AI s***. Not just for this but In general. Mfs tryna do god’s work.

F*** ai unless its helping me! For real

Creativity really dying with streaming and now this. Sampleless future.

Industry been had some form of ChatGPT for writers already.

Do you remember when Google said that they had created this but refuse to release it to the public?

Created what exactly

Let’s please go back to the mid 2000s and never move forward

You can already tell all the radio songs are written and produced with AI, they are soulless, calculated, and free of any originality or creativity. Don’t need confirmation of the tech existing/being used to know the industry has had access to it for the last 2-3 years at least.

Here: techcrunch.com/2023/01/27/google-created-an-ai-that-can-generate-music-from-text-descriptions-but-wont-release-it

Release: google-research.github.io/seanet/musiclm/examples

Yeah check my last comment

Yup

Won't release for public use = loaned for commercial use

We'll be renting the same AI to produce chart-toppers like it was IBM's quantum computer

Or maybe it will flop horribly and simply be a tool for use like AI mixing is now

It’s also why when some real artist comes along you can feel the shift/moment happening. It’s something you can’t reproduce. Also why it’s so rare now.

Also feel like all these re-mixed albums like the Beatles are done with AI, and should be avoided.