Nort

1y

I’m not entirely sure what your argument is now or what our disagreement specifically is

Nort

1y

I don’t think human creativity will die out or anything in a hypothetical AI dominated world because people find a lot of self-fulfillment and solace in creating art but I think it’ll become devalued.

Rubbersoul

1y

So paying for streaming or buying the albums isn’t sufficient anymore?

Valentine

1y

you said this

gonna be a sad day when you pick up a new instrument or start taking art classes and your friends think you’re wasting your time when chatgpt can do the “same s***” in 3 seconds.

that’s where we started. that day can’t even be possible because the AI would still need you the human to direct it step by step to get close to what you want and it will still not be perfect and since the tools are advancing like you said, will be quickly detected

Nort

1y

I don’t think human creativity will die out or anything in a hypothetical AI dominated world because people find a lot of self-fulfillment and solace in creating art but I think it’ll become devalued.

onetwo

1y

No it’s gonna be the other away around

AI art will be devalued because it’s too easy, human art will be the luxury because it takes effort

dardy cinq

1y

that is the hope

GodzillaMinusOne

1y

If the music of this time was amazing, sure. But the way s*** is going--AI will probably be a huge improvement

onetwo

1y

the point is saying AI is bad for art is overblown because AI is not good and may not ever be good at art and we don’t “deserve better than AI” in music because a lot of mainstream music has been fake even before AI and we let it slide

Rubbersoul

1y

I completely agree? And using AI is another thing to add to the list for how everything is going.

Nort

1y

It’s a philosophical argument on my end, but I think AI generated art is inherently of less value so in that sense, I’d agree it’ll never be “good”.

but being “good” is not gonna stop it from becoming normalized. You sorta just made this argument for me at the end there.

Nort

1y

Not sure what you mean by “step-by-step” because that’s not even required now, atleast not to the extent that I’m thinking of.

I can open logic pro right now and generate a drum beat of a select genre, a piano part based off a select chord progression, etc etc and you would not be able to discern it from AI whatsoever.

Nort

1y

technological advancement in art is a great thing but there’s a trade-off being had.

it’s like when we invented the drum machine. Sure, you could argue that you’re cheating yourself by not actually learning drums, but the MPC unlocked a whole new world of music-making. J Dilla is just as, or even more of a musician in my mind than Ringo Starr.

but what are we getting with AI? You have the convenience of having a finished product without having any of the skillset to do it yourself, in exchange for… ?

You’re just removing the primary motive and soul behind art in the first place. Hearing a beautiful lyric or viewing a well-composed painting is gonna mean less when it’s all algorithm.

yesac

1y

I think the ship has sailed for saving "art" from being devalued in a mainstream pop culture sense, everything that's mainstream pop culture in 2025 is dominated by capital and what can be sold

I think most people need a little slop to take the edge off reality, if "AI slop" replaces "capitalist slop" it won't have a bearing in my day to day reality enough for me to care, I respect the position but I just can't see it creating a new problem I'll (or artists I hugely respect...) have to deal with

Nort

1y

Sure, I’m just arguing that AI slop will be worse than capitalist slop because atleast the latter has some semblance of human creativity involved.

but if that’s something of no concern to you, then alright. Life is too hard to care about everything that goes wrong.

onetwo

1y

No it’s gonna be the other away around

AI art will be devalued because it’s too easy, human art will be the luxury because it takes effort

onetwo

1y

I think AI assisted art will be normalized but AI generated art with no human touch will never be normalized imo because AI is all left brained and no right and good art is large majority a result of right brained activity

Free YoungBoy

1y

Eventually it will

Valentine

1y

you still had to input those things for AI to generate as a human because, again, it doesn’t understand nuance

it didn’t just have itself ready and you said “i want a 5/6 drum beat with a 3/4 piano over a 4/4 melody and make it sound trap”

no. that will never happen to where it will generate anything you like as it is going to produce an infinite amount of outputs for you to sift through until you get the one you like when it would have just been quicker as a human to create it yourself and how you desire it to be

Nort

1y

visual artist can do this right now

insertcoolnamehere

1y

J Dilla is just as, or even more of a musician in my mind than Ringo Starr.

(Im a J Dilla fan I just also know mad old
People)

Other fellow musicians would kill you for this take and this why a lot of yall “anti AI” niggas is full of s***

Nort

1y

I think we’ll see eras where we’re both correct.

AI becoming normalized, then society begins to really value human artistry again after seeing what’s been lost and looks to correct itself.

Valentine

1y

and you already established that they are creating tools to detect this so…talented artists will prevail lol

vingu

1y

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dude asked you a question in good faith and you refuse to answer it based on some wording you didn’t like lmfao. and everything you did suggest is not only intrinsically lazy but is built with stolen artwork. ai bootlickers are cringe as f***, can’t wait for all y’all to show your true colors in this thread so i can block yall

im not even saying that there aren’t potentially benevolent uses for it. it can be neat for audio restoration and hearing an artist’s voice over a song they didn’t make as a fan made neat gimmick is cool sometimes as long as it’s in good taste. but you niggas show how little you care about art on a dime with the way you talk about it and don’t even mean to