Snowboy

12mo

neo-nazis keep getting more bold all over eastern europe, s*** is tragic. prayers go out to the families.

americana

12mo

i'm not disagreeing with the fact that the US would go to war over europe.

but the US would go to war over europe for the sake of financial control over the continent

russia would never go to war over europe because it doesnt make any geopolitical sense

Gabrieljesus

12mo

That’s an assumption you’re making and speculation

The US and Western Europe are very much allies

You’re far too cynical

… Further, we don’t know what Russia’s true intentions are

Again they have Germany rearming for the first time in 70 years

It’s an unknown not worth gambling on

Add Russia being pally pally with China, Iran and North Korea we don’t know how big this could get

A third world war is very much on the cards

And you want America to kick back cos of your tax dollars

americana

12mo

The US and Western Europe are not allies

There is a power balance and a dynamic based on that balance.

americana

12mo

And if they’re really allies then let’s see Europe pull some weight

Gabrieljesus

12mo

Sweden and Finland joining NATO, Germany rearming

The UK sending billions and weapons to Ukraine

americana

12mo

once again, there only seems to be more indication that Western Europe is preparing for a larger war and not Russia

Gabrieljesus

12mo

They’re doing all of this because of Russia…

americana

12mo

once again, why are we acting like russia is going to unleash some big bad war on Europe when its literally engaging in this conflict to re-establish a sphere of influence that the US penetrated?

The US is the fundamental catalyst for this instability

Gabrieljesus

12mo

So what’s your point exactly?

americana

12mo

my point is that the US is the fundamental catalyst for the unreasonable amount of death and instability in global geopolitics

and i want my tax dollars to go to something better than powering this engine

that is what this convo was about

americana

12mo

once again, why are we acting like russia is going to unleash some big bad war on Europe when its literally engaging in this conflict to re-establish a sphere of influence that the US penetrated?

The US is the fundamental catalyst for this instability

americana

12mo

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we invaded iraq and killed 2,000,000 civilians for no reason
we are funding a genocide in gaza for NO reason
we turned libya into an open air slave market for no reason
we left the dismantled soviet states to rot and starve for no reason
we ran millions of pounds of heroin out of a puppet govt in afghanistan for no reason
we are blockading cuba and starving the island for no reason
we enforced a military dictatorship in korea for no reason
we are rejecting peaceful coexistence with china for no reason
we let 2,000,000 americans die from covid for no reason
we have the highest prison population and prison labor rates on earth for no reason
we gunned down vietnamese villages for no reason
we are backing a military junta in pakistan for no reason
we willingly ruined peace plans in ukraine for no reason
we dropped more bombs on laos than germany for no reason

we are a greater evil

Gabrieljesus

12mo

I’m with you now

You believe the US is manufacturing the instability in Europe for monetary gain

OnceAgain

12mo

It's not for 'no reason' tho

Money

HURRY UP K DOG

12mo

Somehow she gonna blame the US

Kengi

12mo

Man you are f***ing stupid

americana

12mo

when they invaded my home country of afghanistan in 2001 and established a government under the guise of democracy, they built a puppet system that would funnel resources, labor, and land out of the nation and into their pockets while using the taliban as a boogeyman to deflect their interests

who's to say they didn't do the same thing in europe after world war 2, just much more elaborately and with much more cooperation from european opportunists, given their shared history and interests?

when the soviets fell, they had the opportunity to build a new system that didnt need to rely on the threat of an enemy because they could incorporate a capitalist russia. they instead chose to keep russia as a pariah and to continue down this path

i'd argue that the state dept in 2014 was filled with some ideologically poisoned idiot who ruined this stable, if not f***ed up system, by suggesting we f*** with russia.

we are seeing contradictions come to a head and it is the fault of our forefathers for being so shortsighted. men will die and it will be for money.

ThomFork

12mo

Maybe i'm super dumb but what does ISIS have against Russia specifically?