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  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    post the best song off Trout Mask and also Soft Machine Vol 2

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    rvi

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZFG1yAxjdQ!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU5W_QjXo_A

    goddamn TMR is still too rhythmically demented for me

    not too crazy about SMV2 either on account of its too fragmented. Not surpised you picked the longest tune.

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    goddamn TMR is still too rhythmically demented for me

    not too crazy about SMV2 either on account of its too fragmented. Not surpised you picked the longest tune.

    utter rhythmic mastery just focus exclusively on the drums until everything else slowly makes sense

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    Yeah of course

    That reminds me I need to reload that Crazy Horse at Fillmore East

    open.spotify.com/playlist/47B8KlViTJraOD3dHuZao3?si=c9e3e51dd24f4b6b

    Dark Star all the way to the end is one continuous 90minute sequence. you might not be able to handle it but its one of their most legendary sets and perfect example of why they were the greatest musical psychedelic vehicle ever and its not particularly close. that show was their legendary archivist's all time favorite

    if you cant do that one at least do the first 6 tracks on that playlist and think of it like an alternate Live/Dead. That's It for the Other One was the twin live staple of the time along with Dark Star. Morning Dew was embyronic here compared to later on but still a key part of their sets for decades. and the Jam into Caution is an example how they made unique and astounding music out of thin air, outside of any existing song, never to play it again. LSD group mind

    and if you're feeling extra bold try to pick out the differences in style from the Live/Dead/Fillmore West material to that 90minute behemoth to see how their style morphed after half a year

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Aoxomoxoa studio album from 1969 is alright but utterly useless considering the live material exists. i feel generous giving it a 7/10 but the live material of the year is 10/10. the peak of the "primal" era of Grateful Dead where they hadn't combined the psychedelia with roots music into their one big signature stew. they were still psychedelic after this but not as searing, and alternated/mixed the psychedelia with country, folk and jazz

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    rvi

    utter rhythmic mastery just focus exclusively on the drums until everything else slowly makes sense

    listening to instrumental version is interesting realizing CB seriously distracts from the majesty of the arrangement

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    listening to instrumental version is interesting realizing CB seriously distracts from the majesty of the arrangement

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLG1yxoOY0

    maybe part of the reason is because his vocals are so loud in the mix on TMR. you can hear every little thing happening in his throat as he vocalizes

  • Feb 28, 2023
    rvi

    maybe part of the reason is because his vocals are so loud in the mix on TMR. you can hear every little thing happening in his throat as he vocalizes

    and alternatively he was masking a ton of instrumental nuance in the music which i had no idea was there

    i put CB in the highest tier of vocalists but he doesnt do anything on TMR that moves me so maybe i should find an instrumental version

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    rvi

    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/47B8KlViTJraOD3dHuZao3?si=c9e3e51dd24f4b6b

    Dark Star all the way to the end is one continuous 90minute sequence. you might not be able to handle it but its one of their most legendary sets and perfect example of why they were the greatest musical psychedelic vehicle ever and its not particularly close. that show was their legendary archivist's all time favorite

    if you cant do that one at least do the first 6 tracks on that playlist and think of it like an alternate Live/Dead. That's It for the Other One was the twin live staple of the time along with Dark Star. Morning Dew was embyronic here compared to later on but still a key part of their sets for decades. and the Jam into Caution is an example how they made unique and astounding music out of thin air, outside of any existing song, never to play it again. LSD group mind

    and if you're feeling extra bold try to pick out the differences in style from the Live/Dead/Fillmore West material to that 90minute behemoth to see how their style morphed after half a year

    i realized yesterday while listening to Dark Star this s*** isn't even "psychedelic rock" to me at all. they literally never rock, they just noodle.

    hippie jazz maybe

  • Feb 28, 2023
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    rvi

    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/47B8KlViTJraOD3dHuZao3?si=c9e3e51dd24f4b6b

    Dark Star all the way to the end is one continuous 90minute sequence. you might not be able to handle it but its one of their most legendary sets and perfect example of why they were the greatest musical psychedelic vehicle ever and its not particularly close. that show was their legendary archivist's all time favorite

    if you cant do that one at least do the first 6 tracks on that playlist and think of it like an alternate Live/Dead. That's It for the Other One was the twin live staple of the time along with Dark Star. Morning Dew was embyronic here compared to later on but still a key part of their sets for decades. and the Jam into Caution is an example how they made unique and astounding music out of thin air, outside of any existing song, never to play it again. LSD group mind

    and if you're feeling extra bold try to pick out the differences in style from the Live/Dead/Fillmore West material to that 90minute behemoth to see how their style morphed after half a year

    i dont see a 90 minute Dark Star

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    i realized yesterday while listening to Dark Star this s*** isn't even "psychedelic rock" to me at all. they literally never rock, they just noodle.

    hippie jazz maybe

    dark star is their chill atmospheric approaching ambient one.

    get into the thick of that The Other One while listening loudly and tell me theyre not rocking

  • Feb 28, 2023
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    rvi

    dark star is their chill atmospheric approaching ambient one.

    get into the thick of that The Other One while listening loudly and tell me theyre not rocking

    sounds a bit like Whipping Post

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    i dont see a 90 minute Dark Star

    its Dark Star (1) > The Other One > Dark Star (2) > Uncle Johns Band > Dark Star (3) > St Stephen > The Eleven > Caution (1) > The Main Ten > Caution (2) > Feedback > We Bid You Goodnight. all divided into individual tracks but flow together as one piece

    colossal double sandwich type thing played without stopping or non-musically communicating to each other where to go next outside of a couple head nods or gestures. prior to the show they had no idea they were going to just play nonstop for 90 minutes, they were just like "lets start with Dark Star?" during the set break and just let the magic flow

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    sounds a bit like Whipping Post

    i mean yeah, Whipping Post is basically southern bluesboys doing their version of the same thing but only letting 1 person steer the bus for a few minutes at a time instead of letting multiple madmen try to steer a spaceship until they somehow land

    btw that Other One is what went directly into the Death Don't Have No Mercy on Live/Dead

  • Feb 28, 2023
    rvi

    its Dark Star (1) > The Other One > Dark Star (2) > Uncle Johns Band > Dark Star (3) > St Stephen > The Eleven > Caution (1) > The Main Ten > Caution (2) > Feedback > We Bid You Goodnight. all divided into individual tracks but flow together as one piece

    colossal double sandwich type thing played without stopping or non-musically communicating to each other where to go next outside of a couple head nods or gestures. prior to the show they had no idea they were going to just play nonstop for 90 minutes, they were just like "lets start with Dark Star?" during the set break and just let the magic flow

    ah i see. ill do it this week sometime.

  • Feb 28, 2023

    putting this here to remind myself to listen to it

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    rvi

    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/47B8KlViTJraOD3dHuZao3?si=c9e3e51dd24f4b6b

    Dark Star all the way to the end is one continuous 90minute sequence. you might not be able to handle it but its one of their most legendary sets and perfect example of why they were the greatest musical psychedelic vehicle ever and its not particularly close. that show was their legendary archivist's all time favorite

    if you cant do that one at least do the first 6 tracks on that playlist and think of it like an alternate Live/Dead. That's It for the Other One was the twin live staple of the time along with Dark Star. Morning Dew was embyronic here compared to later on but still a key part of their sets for decades. and the Jam into Caution is an example how they made unique and astounding music out of thin air, outside of any existing song, never to play it again. LSD group mind

    and if you're feeling extra bold try to pick out the differences in style from the Live/Dead/Fillmore West material to that 90minute behemoth to see how their style morphed after half a year

    @BlackSlug thoughts on 1969 and its place in grateful dead history? top tier?

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    rvi

    i mean yeah, Whipping Post is basically southern bluesboys doing their version of the same thing but only letting 1 person steer the bus for a few minutes at a time instead of letting multiple madmen try to steer a spaceship until they somehow land

    btw that Other One is what went directly into the Death Don't Have No Mercy on Live/Dead

    this D***y and Greg disrespect

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    this D***y and Greg disrespect

    its not disrespect im not saying they didnt steer. they all alternated with each other. worked together more than most non-jamming bands but just not the multiple minds pulling at each other aspect of Grateful Dead jamming

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    rvi

    its not disrespect im not saying they didnt steer. they all alternated with each other. worked together more than most non-jamming bands but just not the multiple minds pulling at each other aspect of Grateful Dead jamming

    i guess they only had a couple minutes off duel lead going on here but man this footage D***y took over for the whole middle. Outro was almost in the Sonic Youth realm.

    got any Dead footage this good? might help if i knew what these nerds look like

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    rvi

    i mean yeah, Whipping Post is basically southern bluesboys doing their version of the same thing but only letting 1 person steer the bus for a few minutes at a time instead of letting multiple madmen try to steer a spaceship until they somehow land

    btw that Other One is what went directly into the Death Don't Have No Mercy on Live/Dead

    have you actually heard that? cause it sounds remarkably like Whipping Post and ive never heard that

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    i guess they only had a couple minutes off duel lead going on here but man this footage D***y took over for the whole middle. Outro was almost in the Sonic Youth realm.

    got any Dead footage this good? might help if i knew what these nerds look like

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUvxRjYqjEQ

    i think this is as good as it gets without straying too far off the time period. they also have a whole concert movie for a 1972 show (8-27-72) that is widely considered a top 3 performance by them and it has a nice setting of being in a super hot farm field surrounded by naked hippies. the real good live footage starts in like 1974 basically but i havent really watched a ton of it in general

    audio gets kinda out of sync on the 3rd one but the footage itself is pretty astonishing (and rare), especially like seeing the drummers stare each other down while soloing around 15min

  • rvi 🦜
    Feb 28, 2023
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    Elric

    have you actually heard that? cause it sounds remarkably like Whipping Post and ive never heard that

    what do you mean have i heard

  • Feb 28, 2023
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    rvi

    what do you mean have i heard

    did you actually read that The Dead influenced Whipping Post

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    rvi

    i think this is as good as it gets without straying too far off the time period. they also have a whole concert movie for a 1972 show (8-27-72) that is widely considered a top 3 performance by them and it has a nice setting of being in a super hot farm field surrounded by naked hippies. the real good live footage starts in like 1974 basically but i havent really watched a ton of it in general

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq8sp6WF3bQ!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucfnMES9u3c!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ln4D3g_tqw

    audio gets kinda out of sync on the 3rd one but the footage itself is pretty astonishing (and rare), especially like seeing the drummers stare each other down while soloing around 15min

    dang that '68 footage is good cant believe you didn't pull it up last year

    the kid losing his mind at 5:15