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  • Jan 17, 2024
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    rvi

    hypnotic alien ritual prog there's nothing else like Magma

    also surprising how much they managed to switch up the sound over the years, you'd think they just have 1 formula but they can split the weird signature sound a bunch of different ways

    Interesting stuff but I don't think I'll be keeping it in the permanent rotation. Also decided Aqualung album sucks.

  • rvi 🦜
    Jan 17, 2024
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    Elric

    Interesting stuff but I don't think I'll be keeping it in the permanent rotation. Also decided Aqualung album sucks.

    not even attempting a digestion for one of the most notorious difficult/esoteric bands they sank in hard for me

    too much flute on aqualung for you or what? its def not a prog masterpiece to me, just a really good one. same tier as Stand Up

  • Jan 17, 2024
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    rvi

    not even attempting a digestion for one of the most notorious difficult/esoteric bands they sank in hard for me

    too much flute on aqualung for you or what? its def not a prog masterpiece to me, just a really good one. same tier as Stand Up

    I've already marinated in it more than any normie ever would you're better at connecting with non-english and jazz based instrumental music than me. And the more I hear Jethro the more I dislike them idk.

    I think I got Man-Erg as prog soty sacreligious I know but Echoes never slayed me

  • rvi 🦜
    Jan 17, 2024
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    Elric

    I've already marinated in it more than any normie ever would you're better at connecting with non-english and jazz based instrumental music than me. And the more I hear Jethro the more I dislike them idk.

    I think I got Man-Erg as prog soty sacreligious I know but Echoes never slayed me

    Caravan might have it for me. and i think Floyd have a few better epics than Echoes

    def. a mega classic year for prog with basically all the heavy hitters and a bunch of underground gems like Krokodil, Weed, Moving Gelatine Plates, Nektar, Frumpy, Egg, Cressida

  • Jan 17, 2024
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    rvi

    Caravan might have it for me. and i think Floyd have a few better epics than Echoes

    def. a mega classic year for prog with basically all the heavy hitters and a bunch of underground gems like Krokodil, Weed, Moving Gelatine Plates, Nektar, Frumpy, Egg, Cressida

    Right yeah Caravans title track is up there. Meadow Meal takes it if we consider Krautrock prog.

  • rvi 🦜
    Jan 17, 2024
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    Elric

    Right yeah Caravans title track is up there. Meadow Meal takes it if we consider Krautrock prog.

    i definitely do

  • Jan 18, 2024
    rvi

    i definitely do

    Faust for the win

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    Listened to John Wesley Harding and I wasn’t that impressed with it. A lot of it is just by the numbers folk rock and country, but it is a refreshingly stripped down change from everything else going on at the time. However “I Pity The Poor Immigrant” is really beautiful and probably one of my favorite Dylan songs at this point. Also “All Along The Watchtower” is of course great.

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    Listened to John Wesley Harding and I wasn’t that impressed with it. A lot of it is just by the numbers folk rock and country, but it is a refreshingly stripped down change from everything else going on at the time. However “I Pity The Poor Immigrant” is really beautiful and probably one of my favorite Dylan songs at this point. Also “All Along The Watchtower” is of course great.

    Well first (as you said), you gotta respect the austere, spooky simplicity of the music while deep in middle of the psychedelic era. definitely a bold move, paved the way for alot of other, bigger albums that get credit for bringing the roots back to rock.

    second, he pulled those songs out of absolutely nowhere (in the middle of writing all The Basement Tapes which is the biggest collection of gold ever) and recorded the album in 12 hours.

    third I know you dont hyper focus on lyrics but I think if you marinate for a bit then their haunting, layered, fire & brimstone quality will reveal itself to you. hard to imagine a Nick Cave without those songs.

  • Jan 20, 2024
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    Elric

    Well first (as you said), you gotta respect the austere, spooky simplicity of the music while deep in middle of the psychedelic era. definitely a bold move, paved the way for alot of other, bigger albums that get credit for bringing the roots back to rock.

    second, he pulled those songs out of absolutely nowhere (in the middle of writing all The Basement Tapes which is the biggest collection of gold ever) and recorded the album in 12 hours.

    third I know you dont hyper focus on lyrics but I think if you marinate for a bit then their haunting, layered, fire & brimstone quality will reveal itself to you. hard to imagine a Nick Cave without those songs.

    Nick Cave is more intimate, melodic, and weird. Many of the songs on this record are repetitious riding the same progression and melody and the storytelling/lyrics don’t reveal themselves because there’s nothing to grip you around it. It’s all just sort of there. It’s more interesting as a historical artifact than individual songs. The Basement Tapes is 10x better. I do agree however that with more listens I’ll probably appreciate it more, but at the moment it’s my least favorite of his 60’s records. Also while sure he pulled the songs out of nowhere, they’re just not that remarkable outside of the few I mentioned.

  • Jan 20, 2024
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    Fella

    Nick Cave is more intimate, melodic, and weird. Many of the songs on this record are repetitious riding the same progression and melody and the storytelling/lyrics don’t reveal themselves because there’s nothing to grip you around it. It’s all just sort of there. It’s more interesting as a historical artifact than individual songs. The Basement Tapes is 10x better. I do agree however that with more listens I’ll probably appreciate it more, but at the moment it’s my least favorite of his 60’s records. Also while sure he pulled the songs out of nowhere, they’re just not that remarkable outside of the few I mentioned.

    I would also say Nick also learned much of his gifts for melody, intimacy and weirdness from Bob as well (just maybe not that album).

    Of course Basement Tapes is better but JWH is much stronger than Nashville Skyline or his debut. As I Went Out One Morning and Dear Landlord are the big highlights for me. St Ausgustine and Frankie Lee & Judas Priest are tremendous growers as well. The album has secrets, trust me. its deceptive.

    Anyways were way off topic here Bob only had two songs this year and one of them was going back to his topical roots to shine a light on the death of Panther leader George Jackson, and you can hear the first melodic baby steps towards his Blood On The Tracks style on it;

  • Jan 20, 2024
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    I would also say Nick also learned much of his gifts for melody, intimacy and weirdness from Bob as well (just maybe not that album).

    Of course Basement Tapes is better but JWH is much stronger than Nashville Skyline or his debut. As I Went Out One Morning and Dear Landlord are the big highlights for me. St Ausgustine and Frankie Lee & Judas Priest are tremendous growers as well. The album has secrets, trust me. its deceptive.

    Anyways were way off topic here Bob only had two songs this year and one of them was going back to his topical roots to shine a light on the death of Panther leader George Jackson, and you can hear the first melodic baby steps towards his Blood On The Tracks style on it;

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDxPLeIQ_UY

    All I’m saying here is this record usually isn’t in anybodies top tier Dylan albums and I think my initial reaction is common.

  • Jan 20, 2024
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    Fella

    All I’m saying here is this record usually isn’t in anybodies top tier Dylan albums and I think my initial reaction is common.

    That's not my perspective tbh. Not many peoples #1 but it's cherished by Dylan fans.

  • Jan 20, 2024
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    Elric

    That's not my perspective tbh. Not many peoples #1 but it's cherished by Dylan fans.

    I don’t know. I just listened to a podcast on it and the big Dylan fan on there mentioned how it’s adored by a certain kind of Dylan fanatic, but it’s usually not up there for people with his other 60’s records or even some of his later work. That it’s often forgotten.

  • Jan 20, 2024

    I’m sorry, the songs just aren’t that memorable to me. I’ll shout out St. Augustine as another gem, but so much of the album feels like low energy fluff.

  • rvi 🦜
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    dear landlord

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    Please when will we discuss 1972

  • Jan 20, 2024
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    DEL634

    Please when will we discuss 1972

    Spring

  • Jan 20, 2024
    Fella

    I don’t know. I just listened to a podcast on it and the big Dylan fan on there mentioned how it’s adored by a certain kind of Dylan fanatic, but it’s usually not up there for people with his other 60’s records or even some of his later work. That it’s often forgotten.

    That's roughly what I'm saying as well

  • Jan 20, 2024
    rvi

    dear landlord

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    rvi

    dear landlord

    It’s…fine

  • Jan 20, 2024

    Didn’t mean to post about that album in this thread

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    Fella

    It’s…fine

    We've been marinating on this album for years you don't get to tell us what's what like that

    I would never check out an album then tell people who have marinated on it for years that they're wrong

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    We've been marinating on this album for years you don't get to tell us what's what like that

    I would never check out an album then tell people who have marinated on it for years that they're wrong

    I shouldn’t necessarily have to marinate for years on anything to like it. You should be satisfied with me saying one of the songs off of it is one of my favorite Dylan tracks.

  • Jan 20, 2024
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    Fella

    I shouldn’t necessarily have to marinate for years on anything to like it. You should be satisfied with me saying one of the songs off of it is one of my favorite Dylan tracks.

    Just the best stuff.