I'm very familiar with that part of African history, part of my family is from there.

But it was the other way around dude. The African spirit of resistance fought for freedom for a very long time. And that spirit was bathed in the stories of ancestors who also fought and the work of African intellectuals who were freedom fighters. Now those idea married very well with the younger generations whi studied socialism and I would agree that a lot of them reflected those ideas, but it was never THE BASE for African freedom.

And again Russia is white and those who had the power to propagate and install and popularize communism were WHITE ( in Russia ). Yes the Soviets had other ethnicities but those ethnicities stayed in the regions they were originally from.

Well you can circle back to it, I'm pretty open to opposing views if its kept under a civil banner 🤷🏿‍♀️

I didn't say any of that. I was very delicate with my words.

I will blame this on your reading comprehension ability or lack of that is.

Well that's pretty much what your point comes down to when you try to downplay it as nothing more than "Russian cultural export".

I don't subscribe to the whole God will save ( politically) thing.

But I would say be careful when you say religion is useless when it comes to black liberation, to the contrary.

Elaborate on the latter.

What we have to do is be intellectually honest and ask ourselves WHY certain things failed in the past.

That requires thinking and argumentation that goes far above intellectual masturbation or what I call intellectual battle rap ( which I admittedly engage in sometimes)

I would be careful with that.

And when it comes to faith it's difficult to force someone. It's a area of activity that goes far beyond intellectual a***ysis, even for a lot of atheists it is linked to an emotional cause.

What you should do is have your religion serve you, if you really think we are at war with white supremacy. I say you but I mean everybody in genera.

Religion throughout history has been used as inspiration for liberation struggles for a number of peoples. It's just that religious institutions are more often than not controlled by the ruling class, so it gets used to spread a reactionary ideology that opposes any form of progress.

I mean, youre wrong about this Russia thing (whiteness is tangibly tied to settler colonialism and imperialism as well as domination over the black nation, things the Russians never engaged in). And yes, African resistance to colonialism predates Marxism-Leninism, but it was only through the use of scientific socialism and revolutionary practice that African self-determination in the era of imperialism became possible; an era we still live in which is why decolonization is still socialism in practice. The proletariat is still the only class through which revolution is possible, the African bourgeoisie of the 20th century was too weak to see through decolonization and prevent neocolonialism, but in the 21st century where capitalism is fully globalized the idea of an African national bourgeoisie preventing neocolonial domination is laughable. Marxism-Leninism will be the science of African freedom until the Western empires fall.

I didn't mean by force, I do think we'd be in better positions if leaning more towards agnosticism or atheism but that's just an opinion.

I follow you.

Shoutout liberation theology

Can't disagree with any of what you said, it's there's definitely room for religion and spirituality in driving the lore and spirit of liberation. But that alone won't do much, especially when it's too accommodate what has become the white man's religion.

Ok bruh. I'm passing the baton to you. You have the responsibility to lead these brothers and sisters.

It may seem insignificant because this is a forum. But it's not about having a mass revolution, we just need the right amount of honorable courageous people do are willing to be thorough.

Black Kanye fans may not be the smartest but they're DEFINITELY not the dumbest. There is good potential of black people that aspire to something bigger. That's why I like talking to the black Kanye fans.

I basically said that black people don't NEED him or socialism. Like we don't need a white daddy to tell us what to do. And dude basically got mad.

Sure.

Again someone named the African spiritual system which was very important for the Haitian revolution.

Human beings seek for transcendence , even atheists do.

The image of God being on your site also had a great uniting force for Christians ( or so called Christians ) when they went to war against muslims and other people.

When your religion reflects your real essence you can use it as a weapon to make your determination even stronger. It really helps taking away the fear of death, which is the ultimate weapon, being freed of fear.

The holy war, the so called jihad helps Muslim extremists face an enemy who is far superior from a military point of view. In the 80s Muslim extremists ( back then considered freedom fighters by the USA ) went to war against Russian tanks on horses...All because they thought that Russia stepped on holy land and they were ready to defend it, it didn't matter how many of them died. Their religion reflected their essence and the protection of their race.

During the Haitian revolution adults and especially children climbed into the canon of the French and literally got blowned up into little pieces but it was all good because the canon was useless after that...that is how they beat the greatest military force known to mankind in that time...without any weapons...

That is utter nonsense. Its revisionist history. That's what those white people want you to believe. We did not need their ideology to get freedom. Some of the people identified with it, especially since it was considered to be an ideology opposed to the west.

Also there is no African bourgeoisie. That's a good joke.

I agree.

ah yes, white people, the real allies of the decolonization movement.

listen to what you're saying right now.

Land and resources is the only thing that matters. All that other stuff is for show.

But I just said the contrary.

Are you trolling?

The narrative that Marxist movements in Africa were imposed on them from the outside is literally a Western imperialist narrative that was used to justify aggression against Africa.

And there's definitely an African bourgeoisie lol. Plenty of em in my family.

That's cool and whatever but you won't be able to link that to anything I posted.

You're shadow boxing right now.

But see the people in your family don't represent any masses.

The number is insignificantly low, that's what I'm saying.