some jokes about this beef are funny but the way some ppl react to this is extremely weird

I get you but man.... the people you're listing were either some of the most important civil rights activists of the 20th century or active, high-ranking BPP members. Kendrick is neither of those things.

It's not his fault if he simply mentions these people and listeners automatically equate him with them in their minds

I'll concede that the Nelson bars on MM betray a bit of self-aggrandisement on his part.
But someone itt already mentioned how Mortal Man ends with him saying maybe he's just another normal person.
If someone wants to half-listen to his music and not take away a more holistic message that's on them

"The audience not dumb
Shape the stories how you want, hey, Drake, they’re not slow"

Gotta disagree with Kendrick on this one

I’m really tryna find these listeners lol never met or seen someone who genuinely believes Kendrick is a political revolutionary like those mentioned. He just raps about it, that’s his job and views of the world.

It’s about the music, the message. If someone is expecting Kendrick to run for president or solve the worlds problems that’s a wild expectation even with the lyrics.

Nigga go donate to some victims if u care so much

You turning it into something different. Nobody expects Kendrick to run for a political position. We're talking about what he was addressing on Mr Morale, the "savior" thing

I think my biggest frustration with the sexual assault angle is the (mostly) uncritical support of Kendrick.

I am the furthest thing from a Drake fan, but it was clear s*** was getting corny when there’s just not enough talk about the fact that Kendrick had a s***offender on his album and took him on tour. And the only rebuttals I’ve seen are “he said he was a hypocrite on Mr Morale so its okay”

this s*** really ended with a whimper

Kendrick has literally murdered people

"And I want everybody to view my autopsy
So you can see exactly where the government had shot me
No conspiracy my fate is inevitable
They play musical chairs once I'm on that pedestal"

Idk, it goes beyond simple mentioning imo. Imo nobody, including him, can be puzzled that people had this perception of him. Ask yourself why of all the successful rappers we've seen lately, Kendrick is the only one who's had this messianistic narrative surrounding him?

That’s exactly what I’m talking about wym? If he’s telling people what he thinks, but also tells them he’s just like us, what would cause someone to think of him as their savior (which is more religious than political but not the topic).

Rappers make allegories and comparisons all the time. People just enjoy the content bruh raps about, there may be some weirdos out there but him rapping about the legacy of others and evoking people to think about what he’s saying in that light isn’t a bad thing

Exactly. People are acting as if we can perceive the conflict in absolutes. Nuance exists. Two things are correct: this was excellent for hip hop, and both rappers, especially Kendrick, were amazing; also, it's a display of immorality to the utmost degree. Yes, I recognize that rap beef lack morals, but this is clearly different. Even legends like Cube warned that going below the belt and discussing a man's family/upbringing can make the situation a whole lot worse. We're fortunate to have this on a mainstream level for both entertainment and the promise that nothing will happen to Drake or Kendrick, because this s*** happens in drills and always ends with someone dying.

This isn’t a “white” way of viewing this, it’s having some basic f***in understanding of how the world works. Plenty of black people I have spoke to irl and online have said similar things.

@iHype you think we're dumb and don't know that you're saying this just because Drake is getting his ass whooped ?

If this was something I was choosing sides on then surely it would’ve made more sense to make this thread prior to The Heart and I could’ve framed it as only Kendrick making light of sexual assault?

Virtue signaling on ktt2

Overall

this started with bad intentions, I don’t understand how we were frothing with foam in mouth for this battle, and now seems like it went too far

Perhaps if the outcome was different the story would change but

That’s why I f***ed your b**** you fat motherfucker

Has been praised to oblivion

This is hip hop, this is the coliseum.

It did not in fact go too far, it actually went fairly well.

This beef is reeking with homophobia, transphobia, sexual assault jokes... If your message was genuine you would highlight all of these things (especially when on the issue of transphobia Drake is the only culprit).

Instead you're weaponizing a very legit thing to appear as the "huh y'all see they're both bad" when we all know that not only this message wouldn't have existed if Drake was winning but also that rap beefs are filled with these kind of low blows (and we all know better than to set these dudes as some kind of standards so there's really nothing to be disappointed about )

Yeah, and that’s my point

This thread saying it went to far in ways but I’m like this is just war

20 years ago execs and artists were getting stabbed

No one really cared about 40 dying or Pusha use of Sophie because

Yall said that’s real hip hop

And I have to agree

So

What’s changed now

?

Not even a war, if this is a war then the average battle rap is a genocide

A mix between ol boy getting his ass beat and niggas being soft

This was definitely war on a mainstream level like not in a long time

That’s why so many clutching their pearls

They suffer from moving the goalpost as soon as their team is being sodomized.