it depends what you're talking about. people spreading images on social media out of context isn't the same as reports; it's disingenuous to tie people using pictures randomly on twitter to reports. On the tweet you posted above, the first image is literally shown on the Wikipedia for this with the caption of it being taken in 2017...it's not being obscured or lied about except by twitter users. I said this far earlier in the thread, but yes, these aren't just genocide factories people are shipped to; that doesn't necessarily mean "oh okay well they aren't slaughtering them, guess it's okay". The US Government didn't slaughter people at Gitmo either; and those were all "extremists" too supposedly. Mass detention/"""re-education""" centers especially focused around one specific ethnic group is room enough for some level of concern. The existence of Uighur terrorists does not nullify this the same way the existence of the Taliban doesn't give the US a universal right to detain all afghans.
With that out of the way, there are 3 main centralized "reports" in circulation besides the drone footage, if that's what your referring too. The scattered images from the past 10 years have nothing to do with the reports. There's the NYT leaked "Xinjiang Papers" from November of 2019. I have looked into this and the main "debunk" from these papers generally has to do with the numbers, or pointing to the source as being biased. Every single claim in the papers have not been point by point debunked; however if you want to claim the report as a whole is unreliable, then sure, that's fine; it is.
The second main report is the "China Cables". I have looked in depth on this and have yet to see a debunk which isnt just "no we didn't ever do that, it's fake". While I mean, is it? Who knows. Countries lie about documents being fake or real all the time. The ICIJ, the people who published it, have exposed warcrimes from the US though, and also were teh same people who published the Panama Papers & Paradise Papers. I can't see why they would publish something fake from anti-China if they've spent a long time posting things which explicitly expose and hurt the US PMC & Industrial complexes. The owner of it, Gerard Ryle, is also not American. I have yet to see an actual debunk of this beyond "the chinese governemtns aid it's fake so it's fake". People said the Panama Papers were fake too...then the original leaker got killed by a car bomb. I will say that the large nature of the papers have meant that re-reporting on it has been unreliable. People have made claims not in the original papers. These papers, again, do not expose a straight up holocaust if that's what you're looking for, However it does "expose" practices and rhetoric which are highly questionable and worthy of criticism. Since originally posting, the ICIJ has posted more and furthered their claims on this.
Further predating reports come from Turkish Ministries of Uighur expats. However these are from 2009 to 2014 or so. Turkey has recieved a steady export of Uighurs since the 50s. Most of these claims were compiled into reports locally circulated and not really brought into the mainstream. These generally do not describe a "genocide" but do not describe what I would say is great treatment.However, these stop at around 2014, so they're 6 years different from current claims.

Can the mods just ban this dude. He literally spends 30 percent of his time reposting s*** from literal propaganda accounts

Mods need to stop letting this d***head post, no cap

Imagine being so stupid you start posting from twitter accounts named Patriot that only post Chinese bootlicker post

Fellas use BBC as their source but call out someone a bootlicker for using Chinese media. It's time, aliens!

Did you really ban him? wanna go ahead and explain why?

Misinformation.

Synopsis should just come out and say he thinks the Uighur camps are 100 percent propaganda and that the reeducation camps are justified.

This is a grown ass man really upset at a dude who posted a google drive to like 90 sources filled with bullshit but didn't care until he got banned

This is a nigga posting facebook posts in a damn thread about reeducation/concentration camps as opposition

foh, damn I hate this nigga Synopsis more than the Nazis

How do you know its misinformation? I mean, why should anyone trust what western media sources say about anything especially relating to china or other countries outside their sphere of influence?

in the OP, there is a tweet talking about hair being reportedly seized. the only source that links this to the issue at hand is the US state department. how is this a reliable source?

he also embedded a tweet of uigurs supposedly being sent off in trains to re-education camps. this scene looks eerily similar to one from a few years ago where men guilty of a pyramid scheme were being transported to prison. is this not misinformation?

It's not just the posts ITT

So its okay if the main thread on this topic has what could very easily be misinformation within it? where are the other posts of plex spreading misinformation?

Synopsis tryna compare videos that politicians are talking about to a nigga dropping a tweet from some random saying "smear campaign" when he is literally just reading a source that is listed on f***ing wikipedia

observers.france24.com/en/20190925-drone-video-shows-mass-displacement-prisoners-china-xinjiang-uyghur-region
For the drone video

Another post is literally about the US State Department seizing a shipment of hair

Yeah bro, I think they planted the hair... Even if they did, how is this comparable to posting a google f***ing drive that you have in advance to literally gish gallop anyone who argues with you concerning the Uighurs.

OP is a normal f***ing human being. The other dude is literally approaching shill levels with how much he spammed this thread with his s***.

Like what was this post even referring to?

This is literally the nigga in the comments lmao.

I'm happy Synopsis keeps exposing himself as a piece of s*** for literally no f***ing reason.

Grown ass man saying "So we can't trust Facebook posts from randoms? But we can trust the US state department?"

You are really a whole ass LARPER

fellas not understanding the BBC articles are reporting on the objective passage of policies that the Chinese government has admitted to implementing (and justified on the ground of anti-terrorism).

There is some minor opinion passed on said policies from human rights organizations/the Chinese government (so it's not one-sided), but regarding the policies themselves there's little-no potential for bias to affect the nature of the reporting being done compared to google doc linked by other dude which has links that are subject to misinformation and bias because they're more or less one-sided opinion pieces that are written by/quote people with evident links to the Chinese government and therefore have a vested interest in engaging in denialism.

please think critically before making dumb claims

nomadicthoughts.blogs.sapo.pt

"misinformation" ^

what do you mean where are other posts? man dropped a google doc of like 50 'sources' from outlets that are owned by the chinese government

compare that to internal government memos and actual policies passed by the chinese government that justify/confirm the persecution of Uighurs.

and if there are alternative explanations for images that seek to show this persecution in action, why does the Chinese ambassador to the UK not explain that instead of engaging in remarkably stupid levels of denialism?

bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-53463242/china-s-ambassador-challenged-on-treatment-of-uighurs

Can't believe OP linked to CNN. I can't believe he didn't link to the federally approved Facebook posts from non Western propaganda sources.

Like a literal spam filter tier google drive link

yeahp

there literally is a video from 3 years ago (or maybe 2018) that shows the men being led to the train and i posted it earlier itt. as far as for this ambassador, i don't know. but consider its within the realm of possibility that he doesn't know s*** about it?

this is dumb as hell

i mean the 'source' is some twitter account with 2.8k followers versus verified intelligence reports from a multitude of european countries, australia, etc. there are also a litany of other images/videos/interviews that confirm the persecution that have not been 'debunked'.

so you obviously didn't watch the video. if the ambassador doesn't know s*** about it (highly dubious and the fact that you're even making digging this deep to justify your argument is pretty telling), why is he so familiar with the population size of Xinjiang, number of terrorist attacks, and policies passed targeting the region's inhabitants? why does he feel comfortable accepting an invitation from the BBC to go on live television and refute the claims if he knows nothing?

nothing about the ambassador not knowing s***, fumbling etc., is more legit than the fact that there is literally a video from years ago that has now been resurfaced and being reported to be proof of mass detention of the uigur population.

the whole point is that media sources are inherently biased, one way or another. banning a guy for posting some twitter account is ridiculous. i mean i get it, if he's wrong, it's what pretty much amounts to genocide denial. that should always be a bannable offense. but there dubious clips/articles in the OP as well. But because he is linking traditional "trusted" media sources, its not classified as misinformation, right? It's not as if western media has a long and significant history of propaganda as any "communist" nation.

what do you mean 'more legit'? he's presented images of people being rounded up and his response is 'i don't know' and 'xinjiang is the most beautiful place in china'. if there's another explanation for what's going on surely he'd say that instead of making himself look like an idiot right?

as i said, the claim 'debunking' the video you talk about is made by some rando with 2.8k twitter followers, surely a more reliable outlet/reporter would have said something if indeed those claims of falsehood were actually true?

as for the validity of sources, here's what it comes down to. the western sources in op and others linked throughout this thread are using actual chinese government memos, documents, and policies (which the government has admitted to passing so no the sources aren't just making s*** up) to support their allegations of wrongdoing. where is the room for bias there? compare this to the sources from the google doc, which are written by outlets owned by the chinese government and have absolutely no source material other than 'trust me bro' as their 'evidence'.

i don't care if a source is 'traditional', 'trusted', or not. what's more important is the evidence they utilize to advance their claims.

so you claim to not care if a source is trusted, traditional etc., but only about the evidence they use, but then attack the "debunking" tweet because it was made by someone with 2.8k followers. seems kinda contradictory.

douban.com/group/topic/106094686

like i posted earlier itt, this video is from 2017, but has been circulated among some as evidence of the uigur genocide. and as ive also said, im unaware if this and similar videos are the only ones being circulated.

my point here isn't even to deny a potential genocide and i believe there is almost certainly reeducation camps being done to some sort of degree, but my beef is with banning a poster for misinformation, when the OP clearly links sources that could very well be misinformation or just flat out wrong, but gets the benefit of the doubt because of their origin.

Uighurs are even making face masks in labor camps

I wonder what is worse.

Linking to traditional media concerning an event overseas

Or linking 50 links on google drive and twitter accounts of literal who's to debunk the op of a thread with a title that starts with "Genocide..."

Can't imagine how those might not be the best optics.

Perplexing tbh