Free YoungBoy

1y

Black people listen to lots of experimental and “abstract” music. It’s just not seen as that by a lot of you guys because it doesn’t check certain boxes as to what you think experimental and abstract should be.

Skinn Foley

1y

I think that's the point of what we're talking about though

What's cringey is when white people pick and choose which forms of black art they're willing to respect, and then shame black artists and even black culture for not producing art catered to their tastes as white people exploring a foreign culture to themselves. But you get this in every kind of black art lol

• White oldheads are insufferable with their "real hip hop" bullshit
• White trap fans are insufferable with their "streets not bumping this", "I don't go to rap for songs with messages" bullshit
• White experimental hip hop fans are insufferable with their "that stuff is too remedial, Death Grips is what hip hop should sound like if it wants to be taken seriously" bullshit

Point is, blame white people, not black creatives and their black fans lol. White people, writ large, in America, suck

Free YoungBoy

1y

The fact that the internet will slurp up Lil Yachty for making a bad psych rock album and act like he’s a totally different tier of artist now is proof in itself that a lot of you guys inherently see hip hop as a lesser art form.

Skinn Foley

1y

They do

The number of white artists within hip hop itself who are consistently respectful to the craft and culture and aren't corny themselves are extremely small lol. El-P, Aesop, Beasties, Paul Wall, and Lil Ugly Mane might be the only ones who've never had a cringe era in their hip hop careers

edit: DJ Shadow as well. Bro fell off as a producer but he's never been like an embarrassing white guy overstaying his welcome in hip hop, and he's still cold as a DJ

JeffersonSteelflex

1y

I’d also throw Mac in that box too cause he always stayed true to himself despite the issues he had internally.

FlyHiii

1y

I agree Mac is one of the greatest white hiphop artists ever and he truly loved and respected the culture but tbf bro said “who never had a corny era” and Mac most def was corny before Macadelic/WMWTSO

he done made a whole ass album consisting of frat bro anthems

Skinn Foley

1y

Or if it's outdoors tbh

an indoor death grips concert without seating sounds like a mild form of torture

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

1y

nigga that Yachty album was doggy bag s***

he didn’t earn any points from me for that album, it was awful and a limp wristed attempt at psych rock

only the niggas on here who largely look down at 60s rock (if not rock in general, honestly) and whatever else were impressed with that s***

pneu

1y

That album is solid

Fever

1y

F*** no lmao

pneu

1y

To be fair I've always liked Yachty so it was nice to hear him branch out into a different sound.

Even if you don't like him, the production is worth some praise imo.

pneu

1y

That album is solid

Fever

1y

It's not imo just a knockoff of one of tames worse albums

Pyrimid interpolation was neat but the vocals suck

Fever

1y

It was actually really great. Where I saw them there's seats up top but my friends and I were just in the pit the whole show

One had to leave from heat exhaustion but had fun still

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

1y

aye, production wise it was pretty good, yachty was easily the least interesting part of the album by far genuinely sounds like he just got some musicians together to produce some great instrumentals and then sang whatever couple of vocal melodies came to his mind off rip, very unimpressive for me

Skinn Foley

1y

I think that's the point of what we're talking about though

What's cringey is when white people pick and choose which forms of black art they're willing to respect, and then shame black artists and even black culture for not producing art catered to their tastes as white people exploring a foreign culture to themselves. But you get this in every kind of black art lol

• White oldheads are insufferable with their "real hip hop" bullshit
• White trap fans are insufferable with their "streets not bumping this", "I don't go to rap for songs with messages" bullshit
• White experimental hip hop fans are insufferable with their "that stuff is too remedial, Death Grips is what hip hop should sound like if it wants to be taken seriously" bullshit

Point is, blame white people, not black creatives and their black fans lol. White people, writ large, in America, suck

JeffersonSteelflex

1y

I’d also throw Mac in that box too cause he always stayed true to himself despite the issues he had internally.