sfsorrow

2mo

it is that deep to me and they did. the disconnect between the art and the audience was massive and got much worse over time. they definitely deserved an audience that respected them and took them remotely seriously at the bare minimum instead of treating them like objects throwing glow sticks at them and wearing propeller hats watching family guy in the crowd and other stupid bullshit that plagued the entire fanbase at the end. seriously what other band operating on this level artistically ever got this treatment by such a huge portion of their fanbase? Ride is rarely given the respect or credit he deserved for the vocalist he was and his pen, most times he was reduced to some racist caricature

Sir Swagalot

2mo

honestly i think the audience and the band are responsible for how they're
perceived they kinda leaned into the meme s*** around Powers That B and definitely the whole DEATH GRIPS IS ONLINE thing.

also didn't help that in general, post-covid concerts for internet based acts have been intolerable...and maybe they realized that or just said f*** it on their own terms

sfsorrow

2mo

it is that deep to me and they did. the disconnect between the art and the audience was massive and got much worse over time. they definitely deserved an audience that respected them and took them remotely seriously at the bare minimum instead of treating them like objects throwing glow sticks at them and wearing propeller hats watching family guy in the crowd and other stupid bullshit that plagued the entire fanbase at the end. seriously what other band operating on this level artistically ever got this treatment by such a huge portion of their fanbase? Ride is rarely given the respect or credit he deserved for the vocalist he was and his pen, most times he was reduced to some racist caricature

sfsorrow

2mo

like idk how you can be a genuine longtime fan and not agree with me, I don’t care how pretentious or pompous it comes off. you need a little pretentiousness sometimes. I’d rather that a million times over rather than people making an ironic joke out of it all, I’m not sorry about that. they deserved way more respect and dignity than they got by most of their audience. imagine being Ride and penning s*** like On GP and Up My Sleeves and half the crowd looking back at you is wearing propeller hats with big lollipops holding up their phone playing family guy during your final shows. It’s f***ing absurd man

lacriminal

3w

Exactly, you lean into being terminally online, you gotta take what comes with it, DG partially really blew up because of 4chan (i was there), & down they're dealing with the spawn of that in the form of the zoomers, who have taken the terminally online to being obnoxious offline

Mark Moschino

3w

the show i went to at palladium in 2023 was fun but some of the kids there were just intolerable.

i saw one kid just shaking and thrashing while standing in one place it was so f***ing stupid. dude bumped into me 3 times i turned around said stop it, and the face he made you woulda thought i was threatening him. he ran off immediately and i never saw him again

crakc

3w

A lot of kids at concerts seem to think that confrontation is reserved for life and death situations and that not just letting people be antisocial spergs is a bad social transgression and intolerant

Nuja

3w

Yeah I hate how DG just basically became a meme in the end. They deserved better

Mark Moschino

3w

i get anxiety as a thing, but them being anxious doesn't outweigh other people's existences.

It's the weirdest form of short-sightedness/narcissism i've ever seen

worshal

3w

As someone who’s only really gotten into death grips (and black midi) post-breakup, the terminally online s*** is so confusing to me. insanely talented musicians that you’ve paid to see and the instinct is to turn it all into a big joke? maybe people are just taking those concerts for granted because they see it as a payoff to an internet joke instead of a performance. who knows.

crakc

3w

I want to be empathetic because as a youngster I was quite inconsiderate myself

But the way they cynically leverage their laundry list of oppression badges to morally browbeat you is totally a new and quite s***ty thing. It’s like you see someone just being an antisocial a****** running around hitting people. And then it eventually ends up online and everyone is like Ermmm he’s clearly neurodivergent, why can’t you just be a Decent F***ing Human Being and let them enjoy the music in their own way, they have EVERY right as you do to.

I refuse to entertain the idea that anyone is so intrinsically disabled that they’re unable to attend a concert without bothering people.

Mark Moschino

3w

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tbh i don't think this guy had anything like that he was dealing with, i think he had social anxiety because he spent every waking minute in front of a screen for 20 years

and yeah maybe i sound old saying this, but i don't think that's a good thing

crakc

3w

We gotta brace for some significant changes in social norms then because that’s about to be so many people and only more and more of them

Mark Moschino

3w

i'm a little nervous to be fully transparent. I have a friend who's a highschool teacher and he said half of his students cant read.

that generation will run the world soon

crakc

3w

This used to make me really nervous. Because the kids really are f***ed. Anyone who works with kids will tell you anecdotes exactly like yours.

But there’s literally nothing you can do because it’s a mix of so many material things you couldn’t control if you tried. The combination of opioid-esque tech for kids, parents needing to work constantly, schizophrenic, malicious algorithms, ssris, covid,

Like it’s so many factors contributing to us just generating deeply troubled and legitamtely antisocial kids and there’s nothing you can do about it

Mark Moschino

3w

the honest answer is that because of streaming music just isnt valuable in the way it used to be.

To get into death grips in 2011 you had to invest a lot of time in finding that niche place in the internet talking about it.

Finding a torrent of it that was the actual album in high quality

Spending 30 bucks on the vinyl, or a CD cause no way in s*** your car could connect to your phone

And then final level you go to the concert.

Now you do none of that. You just hear about a band then have access to their entire discography in an instant through an app.

then learn about a bunch of inside jokes that you want to perpetuate to feel part of the community.

All of the sudden all of that time and attention you used to spend on the artist, is now spent with the fan community surrounding that artist and it's become a different thing.

Music in 2025 feels more like being a fan of an artist's fandom rather than being a fan of an artist

Mark Moschino

3w

It's really troubling–I'm a "The kid's are alright" kind of person, i do think they'll figure it out but i have no idea how

crakc

3w

It’s not fair. Deep down I believe they’re not really like this. I believe in souls. Everyone — it’s just that kids bear the brunt of it — is deeply corrupted by tech and s*** material conditions and so much bullshit