I think there used to be more overlap between critics and fans. Some critics were always out of touch, but since the late 2010's I think there's a really big divide

Thoughts?

are you saying they’re out of touch because they don’t review the music you like well?

They turned into content creators like Anthony Fantano

i don't think the general audience ever cared about critics, even back then

Most reviews are clickbait these days, or agenda pushing, the good reviews come from obscure/independent sites and channels.

not at all, you still see losers citing them to justify their taste and people following their reviews on this site and online in general, it isn’t as prominent though as it once was

their purpose back then was to give their personal insight bout an album before you purchase

now the music is at anyone's immediate disposal so they're kinda obsolete

people also realizing they're biased asf n often paid by labels

We used to seek validation for our favorite albums through critics but now we do it through billboard.

We don’t need them anymore

I don't know if irrelevant but they have less power for sure

It feels that way and thank feck for that. Remember when some newspapers gave Donda a 1/10 solely due to the Marilyn Manson shenanigans?? They don't care about the music, they just want to get cheap points from their woke readers and they want the artists to brown-nose them. F*** critics.

"I seek validation through billboard"

This your alfet?

This is fire

yeah after kanye started getting 6s and 7s

*alphet

once pitchfork got taken over by condé nast and more people started to use sites like bandcamp or other blogs/folks who write for the fun of it there’s not much use for them. sure a bnm or critical praise will get you some talk but back then pitchfork could kill your career if they wanted to with a s*** review if you were a new indie band for instance

I don't think most people read reviews but there used to be a lot of overlap. All the big artists in the past like Kanye, Drake, Kendrick had a lot of acclaim

But now big new artists like Lil Baby and Youngboy don't get critical approval like that. And a lot of albums that critics love (like DawnFM) underperform commercially

Haha nah I don't care. I think it's more interesting as a social phenomenon

Yes because everyone’s a critic

in each generations you had artists who made it without acclaim

like 50 is one the most popular rapper of all time and he never got acclaim from critics

True

Grodt was recieved pretty favourably by them at least

Music Critics have always been a niche thing id say

Food critics are the only ones that are still as powerful

More "lowest common denominator" type people have more access and the ability to review so the line is being blurred.

A movie like Venom is s***ty to a person that cares about and studies film. To a regular person Movie make laugh so movie good.

There's also political motives. A film like Don't Look Up gets a bad review and its automatically because the movie is "calling out the media" no way on earth its just not a great film.

Access + Politics have messed the whole game up but the real question is what makes something good and how can you say something is bad if more people like it than hate it?

When P4k changed ownership, it was over