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  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Billionaires dont get to vote twice yall

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Jody

    They get the same vote we do
    They may have money to influence how a politician can vote but none of us here would vote for that person(Yang for an example)
    Aoc is a representative of the interest of her district thats what she was voted to do just as all others

    i think you severely underestimate the power of think tanks, campaign funding, lobbying groups, etc

    furthermore, you severely underestimate the power wealthy individuals have over the general populations' thought--consider how breitbart came to be in regards to the mercer family

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Jody

    How so?

    There's calculated attempts in congress to make voting harder for people who might be disadvantaged by not being able to get off of work or get transportation to the polls, so thats one thing that puts a strain on what should be democracy,

    then, we have a two party system that doesn't allow for progressive ideas and picks the middle of the road everytime, they're not as different as their members would like to believe,

    Also the hypocrisy behind claiming to be a democracy while invading other countries or staging coups in places that may not even be violent or in need of military assistance in that way,

    U can't claim to be pro-self-determination and democracy and then as soon as a government wants to approach something like socialism or otherwise you violently attack them so it doesn't even get a chance to evolve and grow

  • Jun 8, 2021
    Jody

    They get the same vote we do
    They may have money to influence how a politician can vote but none of us here would vote for that person(Yang for an example)
    Aoc is a representative of the interest of her district thats what she was voted to do just as all others

    They write the laws, the politicians put in road blocks to vote for poor people, especially minorities, and they have unlimited access to these politicians.

  • Jun 8, 2021

    democracy is voice of the think tanks, media & oligarchs, there is nothing true about it, no matter how many empty platitudes i hear about how wonderful it is etc etc.

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Easiest example is weed legalization

    Majority support from everyone in the country, especially democrat voters. Yet the president, a democrat, will not do it. How is this a democracy?

  • Jun 8, 2021

    or rather, how is this representative democracy lmao

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    everything would be easier if you had a dictator (no matter if you think its good or bad), there would be shorter time to make decisions and you wouldnt have to use the media to launder your views to the general public

  • Jun 8, 2021
    Jody

    Billionaires dont get to vote twice yall

    no but they can get who won on the line

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    i am sasuke

    i think you severely underestimate the power of think tanks, campaign funding, lobbying groups, etc

    furthermore, you severely underestimate the power wealthy individuals have over the general populations' thought--consider how breitbart came to be in regards to the mercer family

    All this is true
    But it doesnt change that as an individual your vote can determine policy. The voters of west Virginia have a senator right now stopping every progressive policy attempted in its tracks
    One man, who was given that power by the votes from the people of west Virginia

  • Jun 8, 2021
    Jody

    Billionaires dont get to vote twice yall

    s*** is an oligarchy though, people passing tax cuts to appease billionaires and corporations above all else

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Easiest example is weed legalization

    Majority support from everyone in the country, especially democrat voters. Yet the president, a democrat, will not do it. How is this a democracy?

    i personally think a better example would be the slashing of the ""welfare state" when the majority of the us would benefit from social safety nets and support policies like universal healthcare and social security

    while conservative politicians who represent those very constituents try to get those exact benefits repealed/slashed

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Synopsis

    Easiest example is weed legalization

    Majority support from everyone in the country, especially democrat voters. Yet the president, a democrat, will not do it. How is this a democracy?

    Its legal in individual states. Again power is divided if you dont want to follow the federal law make it a state law

  • Jun 8, 2021
    Jody
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    All this is true
    But it doesnt change that as an individual your vote can determine policy. The voters of west Virginia have a senator right now stopping every progressive policy attempted in its tracks
    One man, who was given that power by the votes from the people of west Virginia

    If it wasn't manchin, some other democrat would block it.

  • Jun 8, 2021
    i am sasuke

    i personally think a better example would be the slashing of the ""welfare state" when the majority of the us would benefit from social safety nets and support policies like universal healthcare and social security

    while conservative politicians who represent those very constituents try to get those exact benefits repealed/slashed

    also true

  • Jun 8, 2021
    Jody
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    All this is true
    But it doesnt change that as an individual your vote can determine policy. The voters of west Virginia have a senator right now stopping every progressive policy attempted in its tracks
    One man, who was given that power by the votes from the people of west Virginia

    to be real with u, u have a kind of a more hopeful perspective on voting that many of us itt i don't wanna rain on your parade on that note but i think a lot larger actions need to happen other than that,

    I don't know what exactly, there's so many facets and im not even awake yet.

  • Jun 8, 2021

    Duh. Why wouldnt you care for it?

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Jody

    Its legal in individual states. Again power is divided if you dont want to follow the federal law make it a state law

    Then take student debt for example lmao. Biden said he would slash 10k of it at least. why hasn't he done it? because his donors and the wealthy don't want it.

    why is the only thing that can pass with bipartisan support military matters and slashing of welfare? because thats what the capitalist class wants. poor people get no say in policy.

  • Jun 8, 2021

    My problem is not with democracy itself but with republicanism which is the system in my country.

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Jody
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    All this is true
    But it doesnt change that as an individual your vote can determine policy. The voters of west Virginia have a senator right now stopping every progressive policy attempted in its tracks
    One man, who was given that power by the votes from the people of west Virginia

    it does change when considering that the courts themselves as well as voting districts are used to suppress votes from specific demographics of voters that might not vote conservative

    voting is not as simple as "if you just vote itll count"
    while technically true, theres also more complexity to the issue that dictates how much your vote counts (and maybe even IF itll count, as seen with the conservative push for voters to have identification)

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Democracy for an insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society.

    Buzzword salad lol

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    Buzzword salad lol

    buzzword salad lol

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    meanwhile tons of state legislatures are slashing voting rights as we speak lmao

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    buzzword salad lol

    a lotta empty calories in that s***

  • Jun 8, 2021
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    meanwhile tons of state legislatures are slashing voting rights as we speak lmao

    this thread the perfect opportunity to talk about it