if you really want to conflate the perception of something with what it actually is, you do you

but just know that’s not how things work under the hood, im sure if this was a less controversial artist you wouldn’t be clutching your pearls this hard and rationalizing why you just can’t call her a rapper

Doja Cat ain't even a rapper, she's a pop singer.

they don’t have these arguments for A Boogie or whomever else does that s***ty trap-rap singing sound lol

just so obviously bad faith and agenda driven

I'll be first in line to say A Boogie ain't a rapper cause that nigga is f***in garbage.

you’re the most consistent person itt so far

I like Doja Cat despite her cooning, that's just how it is. S*** even if I personally considered her a rapper especially knowing her backstory, that's still why a lot of people do not consider her a rapper.

There's a reason why artist like Missy and Lauryn Hill are hip hop with no push back while some y'all gotta type paragraphs for Doja to be hip hop.

What's understood is understood honestly

that’s bs because I have argued with others on here especially that they don’t think the miseducation of Lauryn Hill isn’t rap because “she rapped on it for 20 minutes or so”

we just making up s*** now

You would think this wouldn't be such an issue considering most of her major label releases are literally pop songs

guarantee you the Fugees will be cited although she’s singing on their biggest song(s)

there’s even singing on Doo Wop, but ya know

no for sure she’s one of the greatest to ever do both but cmonnnn 😭

So you’re suggesting the same for Drake and Nicki Minaj

I've called Drake a popstar many times on KTT lmao I don't give a f*** what people call Nicki Minaj. But you know damn well people are calling her a rapper. I don't think I've ever heard her called a popstar, and she herself says she's a rapper.

I love Doja Cat, she’s one of my favorite artists this decade and I went to her tour and had a great time. She’s a great artist and an amazing performer.

But the reason I don’t consider her rap is that I’ve never once listened to her music and felt like I was listening to rap music. Even with Scarlet, it all still feels like there’s a pop layer over it all.

And I don’t think it’s a gender thing either, because I’ve never questioned whether artists like Meg or Cardi or the City Girls or Latto or GloRilla or Sexyy Red or Flo Milli are rappers.

Doja Cat next to those names stands out like a sore thumb to me when talking about genres.

I consider her to be in the same realm as Post Malone, where there’s obvious hip-hop influence but as a whole it’s not hip-hop music

a boogie sings a lot as well. He isnt in any convo really to begin with

Doja Cat could have been Drake but she chose to be Cole

I hate hearing this because I have to play it 3 times lol

i stopped at "album artist"

Yep. She's in the Post Malone category. You doing numbers in the Hip-Hop category, but you ain't Hip-Hop

DIFFERENT DAY....

She is a rapper though…