Also you don’t have to copy and duplicate it, you can just set the snare loop as 1 bar and the rest to 4 or whatever. That’s an independent control per track just like quantize and swing

So simple, I set my snare loop however long I want and play it in where I want it. This leads to the repetition of exact placement

This thread is crazy

This post was so nuts. You was implying I was trying to take away from Ye. Ye actually inspired the beat tape that’s much superior than Donuts imo. the Motown beat tape lowkey that should’ve came out as an album instead of donuts

Slum village just saying donuts cause that’s the known one. Plus they wasn’t around Dilla like that at the time so they’re basically just going off narratives like everyone else when it comes to this. Further research, along with a working musical ear, shows Ye inspired the classic Motown beat tape more than he inspired Donuts. And when Ye dies, that will still be the case. The truth will not change.

What you use to produce?

What I’m saying in that post applies to the MPC and it’s features specifically. Ive used the 2000 and the Sp404 most as far as the big samplers, and did that since the mid 2000s. but Ive been using ableton more lately, just for flexibility in editing and stuff like that.

Really my post would apply to most workflows though in some way. A lot of sequencers have that feature and it’s easy to approximate on the 404

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I’ve used almost all of the mpcs minus the 60, 3k and 4K (I did mess with this one cause someone traded it in at my local guitar center tho)

That’s not something you can do. You can only set the amount of bars in a whole sequence, You can’t set the amount of bars per track in the sequence and have it loop like ableton clips so I’m not exactly sure what your talking about saying “you can just set the snare loop as 1 bar and the rest to 4”

Real producer need talk happening right now

I love it

You could never compile 50 albums from 2023 cuz your taste in music is complete utter garbage.

Go ahead

Enlighten us all on what real music is you big brained b******

Now I’m gonna have to go digging but you definitely can each track has its own settings as far as tempo and grid

But even if you’re right, the same s*** still basically applies, you can lay down each 4th snare to be 1ms off beat for example, and that’s gonna repeat each time exactly so my main point is just, that repetition in itself does not automatically mean there was nudging or programming involved, it just means there’s a loop involved, which like, duh. I think people taking that as confirmation for a theory is a little much.

I’m fairly certain the tracks had independent bar length though in the settings, you’re tripping me out lol it’s been a while. But either way that ain’t my main main point.

why is 2words having a psychotic meltdown in here man

Is that what I’m doing? Lol

I respect your takes man but your straight up lying in that post saying “I been using the mpc since the mid 2000s” but clearly you don't actually know how mpcs work

The tempo and bar length displayed on the screen is for the whole sequence not each individual track in it. Anyone who comes itt who’s used an mpc will know exactly what I’m talking about and easily see you don’t

you just made a post on the previous page crying at this nigga for saying humans can’t play in perfect rhythm

that’s literally an objective fact, that’s partially what humanizing and quantizing is all about man

Yeah I’m usually with bro but he’s straight up lying about using an mpc because that’s never been a function

I know tempo is central but there’s not an option to set the bar length in there with the swing and quantize controls? If I’m missing that then I’m wrong on that, like I said it’s been a while since I was using that one in particular. But i don’t think it invalidates my main idea. And if that is the case, then let’s just say he could copy and paste a bar if he wanted to get that particular effect. Or maybe record the drums as it’s own thing and then sample that to get a longer loop or something. I’m not saying he never programmed I just strongly believe he used the real time record more.

I swear there’s a way to do what I’m saying tho even if it’s a work around

But the whole context is talking about Dilla, someone who’s whole thing is being imperfect so why are we saying he can’t possibly play imperfectly lol

Posted the same thing in 2022

Peep the second page

ktt2.com/what-are-some-of-your-favorite-hip-hop-moments-that-arent-talked-32512030/2

One of the most beautiful beats of all time man

because if you listen to his beats, you’ll hear the drums hit imperfectly the same exact way every single time, versus each individual hit being imperfect in its own way

skip to 2:39, this is a beat i made last year

vocaroo.com/1mzN2FDVjD6m

you can literally hear the drums + kick staying in that same pocket of the swing the entire time, if he played imperfectly throughout the entire thing it would ruin the entire groove, that’s largely the thing people replicate from him

making each individual hit groove in its own way wouldn’t even make sense

Idk about that I feel like that’s a generalization

Plenty of his beats have multiple different snare or kick placements throughout a loop. But to achieve what you’re saying, it’s definitely possible to record each element in pocket by hand for a 1 bar loop, it might take a little time but it’s not impossible lol that seems to be disrespectful to drummers to me. We’re not talking about “perfection” we’re talking about a groove. If you lay down the sample first and then just record the snare where you want it, and then maybe copy it if you need to, it’s definitely possible.

You know what I’m open to being a little bit wrong in some of my specifics and if I come off emotional that’s fine too. But I just think as a music nerd, some of the more nerdy explanations of Dilla feel like they border on missing the point to me. I don’t even really think he had a strict “feel” since he has so many different beats and sounds

Best point I made itt was he made fantastic vol 1 before he got an MPC lol that’s the one that inspired Questlove and Dangelo case closed. The focus on tying the MPC and a couple very specific features with Dillas legacy has become overblown

This beat is flames but one of them snares actually late as hell @edumist not that it’s in a bad way but surprised me given the conversation

@notbrock so I was just thinking of copy and pasting a bar but it’s essentially the same thing. So you got me I’ll take the L there but I bet Dilla was using that feature more than nudge

you could be correct but i think that would be a load of f***ing work and considering how prolific Dilla was i just can’t picture him sitting there making sure to play each snare imperfectly and then doing that live with each variation at that too, that sounds like a pain in the ass even with a modern DAW lol

obv it’s largely speculation but yeah

yeah i realized that after i bounced it im too lazy to fix that s*** so it is what it is, i got too concerned with making sure it swung so I thought it would be a good example

appreciate it though broter 🤝

Tbh I be making a lot of beats with no click and I just set the hi hats or sample down first off feeling and build everything live off that

Takes me like 30 minutes for a beat

Also think of this: Dilla wasn’t using drum kits he hand chopped the drum samples off records. And his sampling technique wasn’t recording a longer piece and then chopping it, but he would just drop the needle, play the record and press record and get each chop INDIVIDUALLY this way. Part of those specific “off” things that repeat could actually be something like the snare being chopped with a little bit of space at the beginning so it comes in late but at the same spot. Sampling drums off records in itself gives little nuance like that and doesn’t his sampling method sound like it would be exhausting or difficult to record your chops exactly like that? But his timing was just that good lol