Nah, Joe used that out of context to validate his primary thought of him around younger people. Joe's point is that Drake is manipulating the younger women like he did.
I personally don't think Drake's lyrics sound manipulative in a negative or present himself and his argument unfairly
I don't think that's really what he was getting. He just wants drake to be around older people to make older music.
I think that's silly point in general, but I don't think Joe was tryna do some ur manipulating young women point
joe has never claimed this as immoral, he doesnt care about who people date on principle. He just thinks Drakes music is about 21 year olds doing him dirty sucks and he should maybe do something else
This. His music sucks to him when it's influenced by these younger girls and younger cats. That's what his whole point was in the previous pod too and he even acknowledged it's fine it's not for him. He still loves alot of songs drake has
He's not even telling drake to make his own 444 lmao just the very young s*** he don't like
joe
Oh, I know
I'm saying what he means because he subconsciously admitted to it when he spoke about himself and the 25 year olds
That context setup his critique about Drake's interpersonal relationships. Then Drake telling Joe that he doesn't have first hand knowledge on those relationships, so he shouldn't speak on them as if they were Joe's kind of relationships
I don't think that's really what he was getting. He just wants drake to be around older people to make older music.
I think that's silly point in general, but I don't think Joe was tryna do some ur manipulating young women point
I kinda answered this in the post above
But yeah he wants older people around Drake because that's how Joe perceives it based on his own perceptions of relationships
joe has never claimed this as immoral, he doesnt care about who people date on principle. He just thinks Drakes music is about 21 year olds doing him dirty sucks and he should maybe do something else
Cap because there’s examples of Joe loving his petty songs about women (you’ve just decided it’s about 21 year olds, lazily) . This is just his angle for the current rant.
His real problem is drake working with artists like Yachty. He’s shown similar hate to drake working with future. He just use age as the angle on this occasion
Oh, I know
I'm saying what he means because he subconsciously admitted to it when he spoke about himself and the 25 year olds
That context setup his critique about Drake's interpersonal relationships. Then Drake telling Joe that he doesn't have first hand knowledge on those relationships, so he shouldn't speak on them as if they were Joe's kind of relationships
you know yall are right. theres a fine line between personal and music reviews with drake based on the type of music he makes
but the "Joe's point is that Drake is manipulating the younger women like he did." Idk i heard joe saying its the women manipulating drake so the album review was based on the lyrics
I want to know the people who signed up to his patron specifically to hear a drake rant by the way 😂 sickos
hearing joe breakdown the lyrics really does make some of these Drake lines incredible nasty work. Drake Kelly out here moving brazy.
The artist is an unreliable narrator. What they choose to talk about is one thing, and shocker- it invites scrutiny, but how they frame it is another.
Budden: “But do you understand his point”
Others: “mmhmm” “yes”
(beat)
Budden: “That it felt personal”
Others: “No!”
Joe reading the post drake wrote and mannnn drake went absolutely insane 
Reading it myself didnt hit this hard
Drake stans through his career

Didnt joe sit on his pregnant girls stomach?
Ngl that s*** weird to me personally about the entire 21/25 lines but it’s whatever. It’s still legal lol and look at all these other mfs like DiCaprio doing this s*** that’s even objectively worse.
Sure to you and even myself it is odd i’d never do it but is legal. I know people who anywhere from 5-10 years apart are together and it is seen as normal.
Joe a bum tho Drake cooked him with that IG post lol