May 2, 2020·1 reply
coltrupalso maybe this is a trash ass argument but f*** it i feel compelled to say it. i feel like private markets w/ safety nets (medicare, UBI etc) maintains a lot of what makes life fun and interesting w/o sacrificing the working class.
like most of us spend our days thinking about how to improve as people, how to better our social standing etc.
u could argue that this is socialized into us by capitalism but this is undeniably the filter that many have come to see life through.
i feel like life would become incredibly stale and boring if i was forced into the exact same living conditions as everyone else and there was no sense of competition.
again i RECOGNIZE that this is in part a result of neoliberal conditioning however my point still stands for a lot of ppl.
sounds like youd enjoy germany
May 2, 2020Wow the guy who abused his staff is suggesting that everyone gets back to work and risk their lives for his own profit... no surprise at all tbh
- May 2, 2020ongod
sounds like youd enjoy germany
nah man im rooted in the bay at this point. im sure its a cool country tho
May 2, 2020
JaeRellThe rich go crazy when us peasants don't work for them for a few weeks.
May 2, 2020·1 replyhttps://twitter.com/grimezsz/status/1256358825134665728GojiraWho is grimezsz
May 2, 2020coltrupyeah those examples are fine.
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to be clear, like i said earlier i think its reasonable to say "maybe you only care about the fancy restaurant bc of the ideological foundations that underpin the system".however idk if that explains it fully bc human beings seem inherently drawn towards achieving better standards of living for themselves. and regardless of whether its a natural desire or not i and hundreds of others feel that way.
and it seems strange to me that a hard worker should be denied better living just bc SOME hard workers are not properly compensated.
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i hear what u are saying ant advantages within friend groups.one thing though - at a certain point i feel like its negligible and cant rly be solved by socialism. like sure i can think of one friend in particular who lived in a much rougher household than me despite living down the street (single parent who in hindsight was really abusive).
thats a problem that socialism as an economic theory arguably cant fix ... poor parenting and a fractured family.
Last thing I'll say is and I know you prolly don't mean it as such but I do think we have to be weary of saying things like "socialism can't fix this or that" because it doesn't necessarily aim to solve those things. now we can discuss things like that under capitalism (home life, degradation of marriages etc., and how capitalism informs social relations) and have a pretty good idea of how things like poverty can impact that, but under socialism we really just don't know.
- May 2, 2020
- May 2, 2020·2 repliesMisery
Who is grimezsz
May 2, 2020DEL_245You’d think billionaires would be doing better
- May 2, 2020DEL_245
I'd hit
- May 2, 2020coltrup
yeah those examples are fine.
1.
to be clear, like i said earlier i think its reasonable to say "maybe you only care about the fancy restaurant bc of the ideological foundations that underpin the system".however idk if that explains it fully bc human beings seem inherently drawn towards achieving better standards of living for themselves. and regardless of whether its a natural desire or not i and hundreds of others feel that way.
and it seems strange to me that a hard worker should be denied better living just bc SOME hard workers are not properly compensated.
2.
i hear what u are saying ant advantages within friend groups.one thing though - at a certain point i feel like its negligible and cant rly be solved by socialism. like sure i can think of one friend in particular who lived in a much rougher household than me despite living down the street (single parent who in hindsight was really abusive).
thats a problem that socialism as an economic theory arguably cant fix ... poor parenting and a fractured family.
Also one last thing
I think "achieving better standards of living" has to be contextualized. Under capitalism, this almost always means gaining wealth/income because your standard of living is tied to those things. But I don't think that's "achievement" and I don't think it gives us any sense of fulfillment either.
Usually when I explain it, I use the example of what we wanted to be when we were kids. Typically we wanted to do things like be doctors or firefighters or even teachers because those jobs seemed meaningful. Those weren't choices driven by profit. Only when we're older and are being told we have to have a career and make money do we begin to base our choices around profit.
And like youve said before, wanting the mansion could just be a side effect of living in a capitalist society. I fully believe most people would be just fine living in a house that is enough to fit their family ("to each according to his needs").
And under socialism, no one would be denied a better living. Would there be incentives for those who work "harder?" Probably, but it can't generate inequality.
May 2, 2020stingrayAfD can't step foot in kreuzberg
Oh you meant the 1. may demos
Yeah of course thats left ppl