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  • Nov 2, 2021
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    americana

    I’m a Marxist. I reject Hegelian idealisms. I simply act by what I see materially because of the material benefit it creates

    But don't you see that this 'material benefit' that 'it creates' is purely an idea? The Marxist reification is the same as the Hegelian synthesis only one takes on a more in concreto Cartesian 'outward' or 'bodily' or strictly material form while the other is able to subsist entirely, we could say, pneumatically.

    The Hegelian system is not abstractly or literally the basis for Marxist thought though because without the French Revolution neither would have precipitated, we could say that Hegel saw the 'spiritual' action of the French Revolution which filled him with dread, and Marx saw the materially 'beneficent' aspect. But Hegel is closer to the truth because the French Revolution was purely spiritual it was not a material thing-in-itself that could be reproduced with a systematised philosophy of political 'action'. And it is not an ideal to be reached for, or an ideal turned into a material 'reified' into an idea which is the three-stranded fabric of communism. Marxism does not subvert 'das kapital' but complements it because this is the ultimate goal of the Hegelian 'synthesis'; not to destroy something but create the idea of its opposite and naturalise the two, this is also why communism no longer serves as sufficient opposition to capitalism because the end goal of both systems is the same. If you reject Hegelian idealism you also reject Marxist materialism.

  • Nov 2, 2021
    mythic

    But don't you see that this 'material benefit' that 'it creates' is purely an idea? The Marxist reification is the same as the Hegelian synthesis only one takes on a more in concreto Cartesian 'outward' or 'bodily' or strictly material form while the other is able to subsist entirely, we could say, pneumatically.

    The Hegelian system is not abstractly or literally the basis for Marxist thought though because without the French Revolution neither would have precipitated, we could say that Hegel saw the 'spiritual' action of the French Revolution which filled him with dread, and Marx saw the materially 'beneficent' aspect. But Hegel is closer to the truth because the French Revolution was purely spiritual it was not a material thing-in-itself that could be reproduced with a systematised philosophy of political 'action'. And it is not an ideal to be reached for, or an ideal turned into a material 'reified' into an idea which is the three-stranded fabric of communism. Marxism does not subvert 'das kapital' but complements it because this is the ultimate goal of the Hegelian 'synthesis'; not to destroy something but create the idea of its opposite and naturalise the two, this is also why communism no longer serves as sufficient opposition to capitalism because the end goal of both systems is the same. If you reject Hegelian idealism you also reject Marxist materialism.

    The French Revolution was purely spiritual

  • Nov 2, 2021
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    This guy @mythic_ is spending far too much time trying to make me believe that I invariably follow some kind of doctrine that I find infallible

    Which I don’t

  • Nov 2, 2021
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    evolution is a fact and completely unrelated to the concepts you are talking about. the entirety of human existence is a small blip on the scale of actual evolutionary change. evolution is also not a process of becoming “better” or less primitive but a process of cause and effect. neutral changes in the environment cause neutral changes in the species. it’s an interesting philosophical argument but it has nothing to do with humans “evolving”

  • Nov 2, 2021

    2001 is so dope

  • Nov 2, 2021
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    Coleman

    evolution is a fact and completely unrelated to the concepts you are talking about. the entirety of human existence is a small blip on the scale of actual evolutionary change. evolution is also not a process of becoming “better” or less primitive but a process of cause and effect. neutral changes in the environment cause neutral changes in the species. it’s an interesting philosophical argument but it has nothing to do with humans “evolving”

    Nah evolution isn’t a fact. It’s just an overarching explanation of how observed facts come about. It’s entirely based in fact and observation and is a process that is accepted by consensus but evolution itself is not a fact.

    Otherwise you’re on the dot

  • Nov 2, 2021

    My bro just sent me this. Interesting read

    @Bestowed

  • Nov 2, 2021
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    americana

    Nah evolution isn’t a fact. It’s just an overarching explanation of how observed facts come about. It’s entirely based in fact and observation and is a process that is accepted by consensus but evolution itself is not a fact.

    Otherwise you’re on the dot

    it’s a bit of a semantic argument. it is a fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, over time. therefore evolution itself is a fact.

    when you start describing the processes of how that occurred it becomes a theory, and there’s a few of those (gene flow, recombination, etc). the common “theory of evolution” is just shorthand for “the theory of evolution by natural selection” from darwin, which is the widely accepted one. these theories are obviously incredibly supported by facts and basically proven, but i think it helps to make the distinction that evolution itself is just a straight up fact.

  • Nov 2, 2021
    americana

    This guy @mythic_ is spending far too much time trying to make me believe that I invariably follow some kind of doctrine that I find infallible

    Which I don’t

    Am I spending too much time if we're both on this website at the same time? Does our time spent not equalise in our dialogue? Does Marxism force people to consider all things economically and as value judgments, like 'capitalism' supposedly does as well? Regardless; you've hit the nail on the head although in a backwards way by alluding to 'some kind of doctrine' and not using your prior used term of dogma! Whether philosophical dogma, or the scriptures of revealed religions, 'time' and 'space' like 'duty' and 'sin' are factors that are invariably woven into them. I'm not trying to make you believe anything, I'm merely informing you that by decrying 'dogma' you always take another in its place as an 'ideal'. The fallacy of ideals though is that, as you have admitted they are fallible.
    Also, if you can understand that 'form' precedes 'matter' you will understand how the French Revolution was a spiritual 'force'.

  • Smoofer

    OP methposting

    I like op but this is hilarious

  • Nov 2, 2021
    skrt

    I think man can either merge with technology or make those same advancements without technology through heightening their awareness.

    This may involve opening and balancing all energy centers and realising who man truly is.

    Once done, man will be able to do everything technology is offering without technology.

    There's a choice to go deep and really explore your true nature or to go deep into technology and A.I. and make them your new Gods.

    It's an exciting and interesting time.

    What does heightened awareness look like? Yea it's an exciting time we're living in!

  • What do you believe? @op

  • Nov 2, 2021

    So you see humans merging with AI as a good thing? In a perfect world it could be, but so many things could go wrong

  • Nov 2, 2021
    Bestowed

    It's existed in prior civilizations, u actin brand new kid

  • Nov 3, 2021
    Ooo

    Fiction is rooted in reality. Always.

    What kinda fake deep s*** is this

  • Nov 3, 2021
    Coleman

    it’s a bit of a semantic argument. it is a fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, over time. therefore evolution itself is a fact.

    when you start describing the processes of how that occurred it becomes a theory, and there’s a few of those (gene flow, recombination, etc). the common “theory of evolution” is just shorthand for “the theory of evolution by natural selection” from darwin, which is the widely accepted one. these theories are obviously incredibly supported by facts and basically proven, but i think it helps to make the distinction that evolution itself is just a straight up fact.

  • Nov 3, 2021

    Brand new BAPE every season, call that evolution 😴😴

  • Nov 4, 2021
    Ooo

    That’s the keyword. Theory

    In science a theory is possible explanation thats backed by evidence. I dont believe in the theory of evolution but it is a possible explanation and there is evidence to support it.

  • I thought I was stupid than op made me feel better about myself

  • Nov 5, 2021

    Concepts are real

  • Nov 5, 2021
    Jason

    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606&tab=FAMILY

    What’s this?

  • Nov 5, 2021

    Evolutions very real