Elric

6mo

Depends entirely on your prog threshold. I'm in the same camp as Lester Bangs/Hoffman here when he says that The Box Tops (or The Kinks or any early rock and roll) could accomplish in 2 minutes what Jethro Tull could take hours to not accomplish;

Galaxy de list mon

6mo

Ok
Will maybe give them a shot soon, along with Yes, which is know is wankee doodle but I'm open minded

rvi

6mo

except its not trying to accomplish anywhere near the same thing. and Tull got plenty of non-prog (and non-rock for that matter). looking for 2 minute Kinks rockers in a Yes song is just a fools errand its like being mad at the Beatles for not making jazz or something

those type of rockist critics always end up way too focused on the coolness factor of it too IMO. some of those types that were discounting metal in general for being too lame or knuckle draggy or whatever. part of why i think that whole rock critic establishment like Christgau, rock and roll hall of fame, etc. are totally worthless. whole framing of everything is so narrow minded and way different from the way i find value in music

rvi

6mo

that live version of American Woman he references in that scene is 17 minutes long?

maybe its actually a banger

rvi

6mo

you haven't heard Yes?

Elric

6mo

Keep me posted

Elric

6mo

It's not the "coolness" that I'm looking for (Ray Davies the opposite of cool) but the emotional directness I prefer. Obviously there are a lot of really long songs that I love, but the payoff is tremendous. I just hate it when prog bands jam pack their arrangement with too much bullshit (which is why Floyd were such a miracle).

I still can't believe Genesis managed to temper their aesthetic so well for Lamb cause that has like ten beautiful and direct songs on it whereas they had none before.

I already was set in my ways before I found any of those music critics but it's just nice to find one that agrees so heavily with you.

rvi

6mo

not listening any time soon

rvi

6mo

yeah ik its not the coolness factor for you but for a lot of those critics on the side of disdain for prog or metal. not just critics but music fans in general, ties into the whole influence of image and aesthetics on music too

crazy to me you feel that way about Lamb cuz that one was the most impenetrable for me initially. but yeah that change was the big Gabriel influence hitting

rvi

6mo

Baker St Muse a stunner

just keep an open mind and dont decide you hate it already

Elric

6mo

Fly on a windshield, hairless heart, counting out time, the carpet crawlers, the chamber of 32 doors, anyway and the lamia are all impressively and instantly impactful

Herculean feat of them to not f*** those up knowing their tendencies

Elric

6mo

Baker St Muse not bad still no idea what the f*** he's getting at

rvi

6mo

that live version of American Woman he references in that scene is 17 minutes long?

maybe its actually a banger

Galaxy de list mon

6mo

I'm getting conflicting opinions

Galaxy de list mon

6mo

I mostly just watch playoffs and they were really good last year imo. Haven't been paying much attention to the season so far.
I think with advanced medicine and training, these old guys will continue playing longer and longer so we'll see them for longer. It used to rare back in the day when a guy played 20 seasons. I feel you, though. But if I'm LeBron James and I'm still playing at an all-star-ish level, why not play till you're 40? Even James friggin Harden is still pretty good at 36-37.

Elric

6mo

Need you to check out Life Is Sweet and Happy Go Lucky over the holidays @risecrashing @suzuki I'll take recs if you wanna trade

Opposite of ho scaring

risecrashing

6mo

i've had life is sweet on my watchlist for years

Elric

6mo

Need you to check out Life Is Sweet and Happy Go Lucky over the holidays @risecrashing @suzuki I'll take recs if you wanna trade

Opposite of ho scaring

suzuki

6mo

For sure. Ive never seen a mike leigh. My dad reco me nuts in may he made it fir bbc tv its on criterion. I will try to check out ur recs, been slacking on movies lately. Too much sports on.

Elric

6mo

I alway grill British people I meet about Mike Leigh and fkin nobody has seen his films

y'all sleeping on your own dang goat (of non blockbuster Nolan type s***)

Aruji

6mo

Hitch?