For the non socialists out there would you rather keep it the way it is now in the USA or have "free housing" but you can no longer own a home, you cant sell a home, you cant rent out a home or room, you must remain employed or face jail time, no salary negotiation, and you cant live where you want.

land decree of 1917. "Private ownership of land shall be abolished forever; land shall not be sold, purchased, leased, mortgaged, or otherwise alienated"

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/oct/25-26/26d.ht

hmm this doesnt seem like a total surface level understanding mis representation of another political thought that someone got angry about in another thread and a total genuine discussion

almost as if op is a massive troll and or idiot, hmm

synopsis been going at it with this guy for WEEKS

this is what happened in the ussr.

what would you pick tho?

i guess i am reformist but keep things the way they are and work on reforming the current laws

i do think everyone should have some form of shelter, but people should also be able to purchase and rent out properties.

it’s up to federal, state, and local governments to deal with homelessness, and it seems like they are doing an awful job of that

The idea behind public housing is that it is owned by the community who lives there and decisions are made democratically by the members.

As opposed to now where one person or firm who lords over their wage-worker tenants and is paid rent from them while doing no work themselves. The landlord doesn’t even live there and doesn’t care about the conditions, and even when they do, they just hire a different laborer to fix the pipes or whatever. They passively siphon money from poor laborers into their pockets for doing nothing

Yeah if I had free housing 90% of my worries would be gone tbh

my senior thesis teacher was a marxist and when i was going over my thesis with him he called me a reformist and i never realized that before, but i guess i am

even tho we heavily disagreed on a lot he was still cool and explained certain marxist ideologies i didn’t fully understand / was misinformed about

he still didn’t change my mind tho lol

The Civil Code of the RSFSR (the RSFSR is the Soviet Russia, each Soviet Republic had its own legal system however they were pretty similar to each other) of 1964 has a separate Chapter 11 that deals with that kind of property.

The article 105 of that Chapter states:

“A citizen can have in his individual property his earned finances and savings, a house (or a part of it), a personal allotment, personal items and belongings”

The article 106 specifically explains the individual property regarding houses in particular sets the limit of owning only one house per person or a family.

Soviet legislation specifically states that individual property cannot be used for receiving a non-labor income. However for example renting your own house to someone or receiving an interest from a bank deposit were not considered such.

In short any Soviet citizen could posses in his private property one house, several cars and any number of valuable personal belongnings like for example jewelry or paintings as long as he could prove that all those things are acquired in a legal way.

Depends on the conditions of the public housing. Like imagine I had to move for a job, or life event I imagine the bureaucracy of it all will make the process damn there impossible in a timely fashion

Ethered his ass

thats cool man
be informed, not misinformed, even if you disagree
thats all anyone can ask for in this world

valid point

anything government run is a hassle to deal with

it would be farrrrrrr easier to move if their were private options then having to depend on the local, state, or federal government

just look at how horrible going to the DMV is

but again, homelessness and price gouging rentals is a huge issue as well

everyone should have access to housing / some form of shelter

but i do recognize the benefits of having options via the private sector

yeah i’m always open to learn or debate with pretty much anyone. i like best when i can learn from people too

even if we don’t fully agree, we can still come to an understanding that may make us move more closely together down the line

while i’m for private housing, i too hate “slum lords” and think laws should be made against them

my city has a few slum lord companies and their residencies are known for being absolute garbage.

they do the bare minimum to maintain livable standards, which is inexcusable

This nigga prolly older than me and don’t know the distinction between personal and private property

idk 'bout this boss you're comparing some decrepit infrastructure run by a society which doesn't care about its people to infrastructure run by a society which does care about its people

frame of mind

government / state run industries doesn't always equal a bureaucratic mess where employees want to kill themselves and look like the b**** from monsters inc

they do the bare minimum to maintain livable standards, which is inexcusable

yeah, its the capitalist way --> "minimum wage"

i wonder: why does western europe not have such a bad homelessness problem as the u.s.?

perhaps they have given more reforms in that area?

idk

this is a pretty big contradiction in my own knowledge since my studies have been so u.s. centric

you couldn't own the house tho...

nope because you couldn't actually own the home or sell it.... try again

Did you not read you dumb b**** made nigga? Genuinely you have s*** for brains ya sharmout.

did you dumb b****?

nevertheless, homelessness is by design an issue created by capitalism; the proleterialization of the peasants and the enclosure of the commons created a lack of housing... theres still millions of folks homeless all over "social democratic" countries

like in the ussr there were Propiskas and the right for shelter was secured in the Soviet constitution.... in the 30s they completely abolished homelessness (same with modern day cuba!) .. after the fall of the berlin wall we can see the numbers shoot up