because drake is so exposed, honestly.

And the victim/nerd/underdog is basically who used to be the loser.

It’s a weird time. It’s truly a “moral” era we’re in.

It's truly a "moral" era we're in

Not really given what's been popular and dominating the airwaves for the past couple years lol

drake is about as disrespectful as rappers were in the early 2000s but when he does it, then people get prim and proper to attack him

Probably cause nobody likes that nigga since he's corny lol

alright i don't wanna be quoted on this anymore but since you niggas aren't gonna leave me alone about it: the first track has guitar which he doesn't play so he's not the only musician who contributed to that piece of music by default, either the credits are missing or it's another track like dial up where the production and compositional elements originate from some other part of the album and he's a "producer" because he arranged them together for this interiude, that or the guitar is a VST of course which either way alright cool but that doesn't really change what i said, he produced an interlude wow so crazy. same thing with the second, mostly consists of production elements ripped straight from the worst guys which he is obviously not the only credited guy on. sorry but disingenuous example

There's no guitar on the first track 🤔

It's okay to just admit you didn't know what you were talking about. Been shifting goalposts everytime someone disproves something you said since yesterday

sounded like guitar to me, but as i said it's possible just a patch

i'll admit im not an expert on his music cause i don't like his music, but every example y'all provide is weak as hell and does nothing to disprove my original point so you can hit me with the sole production credit on the recycled interlude all you want, he still doesn't really make his own music. he's a popstar, he needs a team of people and the token mike dean white savior to make the meat of it for him while what he is apparently solely responsible for, his lyrics, are the most inessential part of it all (for me and for many folks). im definitely willing to admit when im wrong as i did in my last exchange with a fan, but i haven't been proven wrong at all on what i originally wanted to say, which is that he isn't really the kind of artist who can go around writing and producing for others because he doesn't even make his own s*** himself. he's no tyler, no jpegmafia, no prince, no shuggie otis, no stevie wonder no babyface no r kelly etc etc etc.

he can rap and maybe get off a vocal melody or two or maybe a skeleton of a basic beat my lil cousin can make in his nintendo DS let alone on an OP1 or his garageband on his phone but he has yet to show he's solely capable of the music credited to his name and again that's not a controversial thing to say, it doesn't make him bad. i dislike him for reasons totally outside of that lol (being a cornball, being a fraud, a biter, mid bars, mid vocalist etc). as i said in a deleted post, i like frank and that nigga can barely manage to play four chords on a keyboard slow as hell to no particular tempo to save his life

(Donald's got a son named Drake, just fyi. Literally impossible to son someone more.)

In gods name what is happening in this thread

genius.com/2533120

this is an annotation on Genius from Ludwig himself.

“Donald played me “dial up” I was like, this is really cool, Let me do something with these sounds.“

Dial Up was made by Gambino alone first. Then Ludwig brought his sauce to it and that became Worst Guys. you’re wrong. again. like everyone itt has been saying, that’s how the partnership works. that is how it has always worked. nobody said donald was kanye or prince or was doing this all alone. ludwig is one of the most talented musicians on earth, of course gambino owes much of his sound to him. you said he didn’t write or produce any of his own s*** (or maybe that’s not even what the post says anymore bc you keep going back in and editing, idk). it’s not true. stop.

it is genuinely sad that you’re still posting in here. if you don’t want to be quoted then stop posting

that's cool, but that's still not writing or producing your own s*** in my book, sorry.

nobody is claiming this

uh yeah a nigga earlier literally was, that's the idea i was initially responding to, which is that he was capable of doing this for other artists and quite literally comparing him to pharrell. what's sad is you're so hurt by someone saying your fav artist isn't these things that you have to reach for every breadcrumb to deny this. at least you can acknowledge he owes his sound to him, so i don't even get what the problem is here. he can't make telegraph ave for someone else because he couldn't even make it himself. he's not pharrell, he's "not that guy pal" even if he wants to come across like that. he's not static major writing whole ass albums of his own and aaliyah's. these guys don't "owe their sound" to anyone but themselves. that's what i've been saying or at least trying to say this whole time, and giving me a genius annotation or a video of him cookin up mid on an OP1 is not gonna change that

idgaf abt him not being pharrell nigga f***ing obviously😭😭😭 if this was just you making the point that he doesn’t do a lot of solo work then yeah, duh, but you’re in here saying his music has been “deceitfully credited to him” like he’s taking solo credit and doesn’t do anything himself and all we saying is that he absolutely writes and produces it and there’s obviously other people that help

it would be f***ing ridiculous to say frank doesn’t write or produce his s*** when he’s involved in nearly every track or that kanye didn’t write or produce late registration bc jon brion was on every song

i think you're choosing to be charitable and im choosing not to be based on the evidence i see. i see that his music is only capable of the crazy production when ludwig is in the mix. i see that ludwig and many others are consistently credited on his albums, and he's yet to release anything where he's primarily handling writing (as in composition, not lyrics) and production himself with his own hands, not ludwig's white ones lmfao. neither of us really know the truth, but the evidence i see tells me that no, he's not "absolutely writing and producing" everything and just getting "help", that's inaccurate, even according to Ludwig himself apparently, who attests that gambino brought him dialup and out of that skeleton he made worst guys. im not seeing the way you choose to divide the labor here and i don't think the evidence supports it either, but if it makes you enjoy the music more, you keep thinking that champ. and i mean that sincerely yasiin bey voice

as for the part about solo credit: this is a gripe i have with the music industry as a whole, ie these artists getting top billing even if they aren't necessarily even mostly responsible for the music. not necessarily gambino, just putting that out there.

and yeah hate to be the bearer of bad news but frank isn't writing (read: composing the actual music) a lot of it, more executive producing, telling instrumentalists and composers what to do etc, see the credits, leaked blonde notes, ommas keith lawsuit etc etc. im sure a lot of the time he's doing some summer remains type s*** where he plunks out some chords and they help him bring it to life into the songs we love, but yeah, just like ye, he's got big ideas that are outside of his skillset. i keep the same energy for all these niggas man

either way since you understand my original point now finally i don't really see any point in continuing this convo and we should fr just stop now

Just one question, why would the producers get top billing over the artist when the final product is..for the artist? Producers can work with anybody but unless it’s for the producers project I don’t see why it should be more about them than the artist when talking about the final product of an artists music…especially when all credits are given

this is a great question, im glad you asked. im a little worn out on this forum s*** but i'll do my best to give a quick and dirty answer rn

the truth is that this is all arbitrary. the term producer and production doesn't mean s*** anymore, everyone knows that. there’s no distinction between Metro Boomin being a songwriter, beatmaker, producer, arranger, composer, engineer etc... he's all of them. so when people say "he produced it" that could literally mean he f***ing wrote it as well lmfao (every musical element you hear on ds2 for example i mean). you're a weeknd fan: OPN is primarily responsible for most of the music on dawnfm. whoever is actually given top billing is totally up to those guys, but if if it were up to me it would be jointly credited to The Weeknd & Daniel Lopatin, at least for the tracks where it's just them and not Max Martin or some other dude. and the reason i feel that way is because your last point is kind of wrong, which is that a lot of the time DSPs aren't crediting everyone. apple music is better at this from what i’ve been seeing lately though

it also depends on how much you value the artistic contributions of everyone involved. The idea that big P wrote this track called dream initially then t pain worked out the vocal part before getting beyonce to sing on it then giving it to ariana grande as REM yet it's credited as an Ariana Grande song... It's not like a movie credit where you can generally see everyone who gets the top billing. it’s a song, a piece of art, as a commodity to be bought and sold. this is why i don’t like to refer to music or any art as a “product” to begin with, it’s kinda disgusting honestly (i know you prolly didn’t mean it in this way, but it’s kinda like referring to art as “content”, it just subconsciously makes you value it less imo) and pharrell's name is hidden in credits and not given the billing i think it deserves, let alone t pain and arguably even beyonce because she contributed some new vocal ideas to it based on the leaked demo, and i don’t think they’re even credited in the official liner notes. this is just an example, but in general i just don't really like it that much, and i don't really think it's the best way to go about it. i get that it only exists for market reasons because she is the most attractive name/they are marketing it AS hers, etc. i just don't like it and i think it’s dishonest.

i think, for example, Ludwig Goransson should receive top billing for every Gambino album and that they should really be like more of a Hall & Oates duo, instead of childish gambino being presented as a "solo artist" and that was partly the point i was making earlier, bro is not really a solo artist, even though part of his marketing is that he's this eccentric auteur (he isn’t one, even with his shows he needs hiro murai and stolen ideas and whatever else). you can't be an eccentric auteur if you rely on someone to make the meat of your whole s***. it's like if Simon & Garfunkel was just Art Garfunkel and you just removed Paul Simon singing. It's like… why does he deserve less just because he isn't a prominent vocalist? he doesn’t, that’s just how s*** works.

it’s really not that serious. i just hate how in general producers and songwriters are insanely downtrodden these days lol. i don't fw the way capitalism does things basically

after a month of kendrick openly calling drake a pedophile this sub s*** is not interesting and honestly sounds like a reach

Yea atp just say it with your chest and namedrop if its bout him or otherwise who gives a f***

this is better than anything Drake has dropped in nearly a decade

LMAOOO

Ngl

To the drake fans saying this s*** is ass. And also the drake fans who prefaced their hating post with “I’m not even a Drake fan but…”

Reading this s*** on paper and some of it reads exactly like some s*** drake would say himself lmaooo