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  • Mar 4
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    It breaks his heart 💔

  • Mar 4
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    K DOG 99

    It breaks his heart 💔

    As stupid and weak as it is, in the broader history of the United States and Israel, this is still the strongest condemnation a moderate has ever had towards Israel (more than Carter)

    The bar is in the deepest rings of hell but this is very telling of the future generations

  • Mar 4
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    He's an opportunist plain and simple. But it is telling that the tides are starting to shift broadly against Israel at least in the political sphere. I doubt he actually believes it, but he's doing it to spur up support for his 2028 run.

    Politically, it's a smart move to position himself here now before he even announces his candidacy. Gavin Newsom is a slimey opportunist, but he's not dumb.

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    Turkey Thrower

    As stupid and weak as it is, in the broader history of the United States and Israel, this is still the strongest condemnation a moderate has ever had towards Israel (more than Carter)

    The bar is in the deepest rings of hell but this is very telling of the future generations

    He’s just doing the social democratic spin where he places all them blame on netanyahu or Hamas

    Completely uninteresting, AOC and Bernie have been parroting this line for months

    He’s so behind the curve

  • Mar 4
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    afterimage

    He’s just doing the social democratic spin where he places all them blame on netanyahu or Hamas

    Completely uninteresting, AOC and Bernie have been parroting this line for months

    He’s so behind the curve

    I don’t consider it genuine whatsoever, but that is still very much a big statement coming from a moderate Democrat, who polls as high as him this has literally never happened before

    If that becomes the default stance of the Democratic Party, it’s a big difference in the paradigm and we’re looking at more similar dynamics pre-1980 with how the US approaches Israel. Especially because young republican support fair Israel is also doing poorly.

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    “ sort of a genocide “

  • mjpplus

    He's an opportunist plain and simple. But it is telling that the tides are starting to shift broadly against Israel at least in the political sphere. I doubt he actually believes it, but he's doing it to spur up support for his 2028 run.

    Politically, it's a smart move to position himself here now before he even announces his candidacy. Gavin Newsom is a slimey opportunist, but he's not dumb.

    Yeah, of course it’s opportunistic, but on a bipartisan level support for Israel has eroded, especially in younger demographics and Gavin as opportunistic as he is, I think is good at seeing trends, and this represents the Bellweather trends for the broader democratic establishment of not being able to just completely shill for Israel publicly

  • Mar 4

    Joanna Newsom's second cousin

  • W NEWSOME

  • Look at this soft launch

  • Mar 4
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    Turkey Thrower

    I don’t consider it genuine whatsoever, but that is still very much a big statement coming from a moderate Democrat, who polls as high as him this has literally never happened before

    If that becomes the default stance of the Democratic Party, it’s a big difference in the paradigm and we’re looking at more similar dynamics pre-1980 with how the US approaches Israel. Especially because young republican support fair Israel is also doing poorly.

    It’s not about whether it’s “genuine” or not but the mistake is believing this is anything new.

    He’s already done the work of establishing Hamas as a necessary evil, and the crimes of Israel as a byproduct of Netanyahu or other individuals own flaws- not a necessary process of settler colonialism:

    This isn’t “new”, Biden, Kamala, plenty of politicians on across the spectrum have done this type of framing more or less

    Him using the signifier “apartheid state” so radlibs within the DNC can feel like it’s actually changing anything within the party but the entire article you linked he’s not saying anything anyone else attempting to tiptoe this line has tried

  • We’ve already seen Biden admin have “disagreements” with Netanyahu or leaks come out about him “getting angry” at certain events but this isn’t representative of any real shift in us-Israel relations and just media pieces to placate their base

  • Adam Friedland effect

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    afterimage

    It’s not about whether it’s “genuine” or not but the mistake is believing this is anything new.

    He’s already done the work of establishing Hamas as a necessary evil, and the crimes of Israel as a byproduct of Netanyahu or other individuals own flaws- not a necessary process of settler colonialism:

    This isn’t “new”, Biden, Kamala, plenty of politicians on across the spectrum have done this type of framing more or less

    Him using the signifier “apartheid state” so radlibs within the DNC can feel like it’s actually changing anything within the party but the entire article you linked he’s not saying anything anyone else attempting to tiptoe this line has tried

    Respectfully, I disagree as a student of this history and as a Palestinian — to contextslize it for you just Jimmy Carter, uttering the words of a “Palestinian homeland” was enough for him to complety torpedo his entire policy towards the settlements in the 1970s and completely rollover to Begin’s Likud party. Previously he had drafted a proposal with his team to go about a peace process where Israel would forfeit significant parts of the West Bank so a 67 border could be reasonably established. This had to be completely thrown out because the moderate Jewish voting block within the United States, lost their s*** over his reference to a Palestinian homeland.

    All you have to do is look at israelis reaction and liberal Jewish voters reaction to this statement — they’re losing their s*** because they know the implications. Israel fundamentally had less unconditional support from the United States prior to the 1980s. This is a reversion of the paradigm. It is politically inconvenient to support Israel.

    There has never been a moderate mainstream Democrat who has ever the delegitimized publicly Israel’s occupation of the West Bank. I would not draw parallels to what Biden, Kamala, Obama, especially or Clinton have said in regards to the state atleast in terms of the occupation. Even Bernie himself has never himself called it apartheid.

    You can say it’s signaling, but what’s important here is that these Zionists in the Jewish electorate within the United States do care about these types of statements because it does impact the perceived legitimacy of the Zionist entity. This has actual influence on future Jewish voter support towards Israel. American Jewish voters are not immune to dogmatic follower phenomena and will ‘get with the program’ if the DNC adopts stances like these. Younger Jewish voters in the US already independently has less supportive of Israel so this external broader party pressure is a double whammy.

    It’s significance lies not in an immediate policy shift, but rather how this impacts political optics for Israel and II internal splits this introduces in the moderate Jewish voting bloc which has been the backbone of American Zionism.

  • i'm sure his interns are prowling social media, seeing all of the sentiment that nobody will ever vote for this man because he is an Israel apologist. imo he might start to shift publicly, and if he were to get elected, still help Israel and just not speak about it much and hope that nobody notices lol. this guy is like textbook establishment democrat imo. or maybe propaganda made me want to believe that but he just doesn't seem very trustworthy

  • Mar 4

    The most this is, is a funny little sign that he felt like he needed to say this even though it goes against his regular conditioning

    Clown regardless however

  • we still not voting for this goof

  • Turkey Thrower

    That’s a start I guess liberals…

    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/04/newsom-israel-apartheid-state-questions-future-military-support-00811441?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

    Idc if hes pandering, hes telling the evidential truth

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    HaroldsChicken

    “ sort of a genocide “

    "Might be... depending on who I'm talking to."

  • Mar 4
    JaeRell

    "Might be... depending on who I'm talking to."

    “ I don’t like the vibes on Israel right now starting a potential nuclear apocalypse but my thoughts could change “

  • Mar 4

    op..

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    liberals can't even dream a real dream

  • Mar 4
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    Turkey Thrower

    Respectfully, I disagree as a student of this history and as a Palestinian — to contextslize it for you just Jimmy Carter, uttering the words of a “Palestinian homeland” was enough for him to complety torpedo his entire policy towards the settlements in the 1970s and completely rollover to Begin’s Likud party. Previously he had drafted a proposal with his team to go about a peace process where Israel would forfeit significant parts of the West Bank so a 67 border could be reasonably established. This had to be completely thrown out because the moderate Jewish voting block within the United States, lost their s*** over his reference to a Palestinian homeland.

    All you have to do is look at israelis reaction and liberal Jewish voters reaction to this statement — they’re losing their s*** because they know the implications. Israel fundamentally had less unconditional support from the United States prior to the 1980s. This is a reversion of the paradigm. It is politically inconvenient to support Israel.

    There has never been a moderate mainstream Democrat who has ever the delegitimized publicly Israel’s occupation of the West Bank. I would not draw parallels to what Biden, Kamala, Obama, especially or Clinton have said in regards to the state atleast in terms of the occupation. Even Bernie himself has never himself called it apartheid.

    You can say it’s signaling, but what’s important here is that these Zionists in the Jewish electorate within the United States do care about these types of statements because it does impact the perceived legitimacy of the Zionist entity. This has actual influence on future Jewish voter support towards Israel. American Jewish voters are not immune to dogmatic follower phenomena and will ‘get with the program’ if the DNC adopts stances like these. Younger Jewish voters in the US already independently has less supportive of Israel so this external broader party pressure is a double whammy.

    It’s significance lies not in an immediate policy shift, but rather how this impacts political optics for Israel and II internal splits this introduces in the moderate Jewish voting bloc which has been the backbone of American Zionism.

    its so funny but also not at all a surprise you still wanna play this kaleidoscope of moderate voter bloc reaction to implied statements on delegitimization of signaling political support under broader party pressure bullshit, just tossing this political word salad around like its gonna do anything to anyone

    its no surprise 'the other side' is like ten steps ahead of you (not even talking about the 'action' side, purely rhetoric) when you just wanna bury yourself in the corridors of polisci language

  • relapsed bisexual

    liberals can't even dream a real dream

    and we're the misérables bc of it