It wouldn't again read up on the Balfour Declaration. You could remove religion from it entirely in many ways and it would still not shift.

Iran and Israel been had smoke. Iran has supported Palestinian freedom before this moment. Hamas and Palestinians had just had enough its been a long year for them as has every year

This is the third scenario I guess, Hamas is just stupid and willy nilly went to war

Hamas making a surprise stand in itself is not "stupid" or "willy nilly" outsmarting one of the smartest intelligence system that always has spies isn't some sort of goofy hyuck mistake

atheists when people are killing each other in a war: 😴

atheists when people are killing each other in a war with a religious backdrop: 🤓☝️

what was the objective of their mission? flatten Gaza?
or they just said f*** it lets go in on the off chance that muslim nations around us join our cause?

This is the most likely scenario, most wars are like this, Russia for example was clearly just vibing out when they decided to invade Ukraine

It's so tough to follow the news. Dont think i've seen dehumanization like this. Feels worse than anything in the last 20-30 yrs

Objective is not to go extinct . How can you not see that

the west is an evil f***ing place man. disgusted by the complacency

These weren’t the first Palestinian deaths of the year please stop acting like hamas is solely evil and doesn’t fear Palestinians not existing in less than 10 years

peak midwit post

it’s like trying to negotiate with a toddler lmao

i'm open to being educated

whats your stance on the matter?

FAKE: These are police officers in police uniforms (not IDF), securing the festival. In the video they're instructing the victims where to flee and to get behind them. 260 people were murdered in the festival.

it’s obviously more complex than simply two religions competing for land on the basis of it being “holy”

the crusades for example are oftentimes used as a talking point against Christianity, it’s commonly stereotyped as a time where militant Christians would attempt to force and convert other people to their religions through invasions and/or violence, when in actuality, the potential acquiring of more territory in the Middle East (plus more influence) was more of the driving factor beyond anything else, they factored in trade routes etc.

if you wiped away the religious undertone of this entire thing, years and years of tension and bitter blood isn’t just going to evaporate into thin air, even if religion is a facet of it, it’s obvious that it’s a little bit more than just a spiritual discrepancy

religion is just one of many justifications as to why people fight over s***

People that hand wave away the Israeli occupation as it's always been this way/holy war are some combination of ignorant and active in trying to obfuscate the truth

This occupation and genocide can be completely explained with a critical look at the last century or so of Palestine's history and interfering imperial powers

decolonizepalestine.com/myth/the-palestinian-question-is-about-religion

decolonizepalestine.com/myth/the-conflict-is-ancient

I know it's hard to believe, but it's exactly what Hamas did.

Brother edumist, are you saying that material realities and the pursuit of material gains are more often the underlying motives and causes of conflict and historical change/movement than ideals?

It’s an ethnic conflict

The religious angle can explain why American evangelicals or Malaysian Islamists are so invested in the conflict but doesn’t really have much to do with the conflict itself

Also there is a Christian minority among the Palestinians, historically ~10%, today lower due to the same reasons other Middle Eastern Christian populations have declined over the past century (very high emigration mostly, lower birth rates vis-à-vis Muslim coethnics to a lesser degree) and many important Palestinian nationalist leaders were Christian, so I don’t think Palestine and Islam should be equated

In addition, early Zionism, and how the Law of Return is on the books today, is based on ethnic Jewishness and not religious Jewishness - people with a Jewish grandparent have a right to return to Israel, but only people with a Jewish mother are born into the religion

It’s just all so sad and so many people innocently dying at the hands of forces out of their own control