This should be everywhere
"A hospital was bombed" -> The IDF bombed a hospital -> Hamas bombed a hospital -> Hamas isn't even capable of that -> It was an accident then but Hamas did it -> No they didn't -> It was a parking lot -> That's a city street in the most populated place on earth atm -> Well 500 didn't die
Fog of war forensics are the dumbest part of the discourse, but peoples' interpretations of them speak loud and clear. Raves outside of concentration camps, a million dead Israeli babies, and mind palace bombing conspiracies. Every narrative set up, hammered home, and moved on from. Exhausting nonsense.
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Not you btw you’re not wrong in some cases but it’s getting annoying that every time Midzy gets itt the thread gets derailed. It’s getting quite obvious now
most of these arguments would never come up if ppl didnt start following this conflict two weeks ago
you’re asking people who actively understand and studied this conflict to “wait for more information”
like yeah, they’re gonna be on your ass for it
you niggas like to play skeptic in here for a cheap “intellectual” victory around people who actively have followed this way before this s*** even popped off
Bro, I've been following this s*** my WHOLE life. I personally havent asked any of these morons anything because I dont need to. The mere fact that I asked the thread to stop fighting and focus on the news prompted f***ing chaos. That's f***ing stupid lol and you know it.
Posting this again after @cousingreg did on the last page
Not you btw you’re not wrong in some cases but it’s getting annoying that every time Midzy gets itt the thread gets derailed. It’s getting quite obvious now
I thought you meant me tbh. I wouldn't have cared either way though bro lol I'm not mad at anybody in here.
I spent maybe a decade of my most formative years viewing this conflict from all sorts of angles. I did projects on it from school, I sought the advice of Jewish, Muslims, Christian, Arab, Israeli voices from the land who I knew personally. I read articles by western media, Israeli media, Arab media. I read statements by Hamas, the IDF, PFLP, al Qaeda, the EU, the US. I saw combat footage, handheld recordings of the deaths of hundreds. I saw ticker tape and talking heads on TV, I followed the stock market as the conflict flared up. I’ve read infographic upon infographic. Maps, journals, almanacs, doodles, flags, memos, documents, crude children’s handwriting. I’ve digested all I can handle. I’m done thinking about this critically. This conflict doesn’t deserve a long term critical approach. It doesn’t need one.
I will not, and cannot, ever believe a single claim the Israeli government or any Israeli pundit makes ever again. I will never doubt the claims a Palestinian makes regarding this GENOCIDE ever again. My investigations have never brought me to another conclusion yet, and I fear it never will. There is a bias to be had and it is a rightful one.
The sheer level of willful obfuscation, of rampant violence, of hypocrisy, of gross violation of every single moral fabrication we come to accept as a civilised people, is inherited in the colonial project we see before us. It is a comprehensive evil that cannot come close to anything else we’ve seen in our lifetime. It will lie, manipulate, bully, kill, maim, imprison, drown, or otherwise silence anything in its path.
May Hamas, the Palestinian militias, the Palestinian nation, and every Arab Muslim, Jew, Christian, Zoroastrian, Druze, atheist, and/or pagan wipe away the plague of the Zionist project. May every westerner one day experience the deafening silence the Palestinian people have experienced as their children are torn limb from limb in front of their very eyes. Empathy is lost on these people, and so the must feel it burn
I’m tired. Good night.
This is foolish.
It is ALWAYS important to think critically. No matter what. Not least because when you don’t, people will stop trusting you, and you can hurt the perception of the very thing you care so much about. You lose the ability to see things honestly. What a ridiculous statement. Of course it needs a long term critical approach. If not that, then what? Blind faith?
If you truly refuse to ever doubt the claims a Palestinian makes ever again then you are in a cult, plain and simple. This is the very basis of dogma. It’s sad to see the complete rejection of intellectual curiosity and truth seeking be championed here.
need a few for a couple of ppl here already
Just report pls imma look into them
KTT gatekeeping talking about a genocide like it's the SoundCloud flavor of the month.
There's a reason this conflict has the aura of something impossible to understand, a situation of infinite nuance. It's to keep it out of people's mouths. The worst thing you can do is make it irrelevant, is tell people to shut up.
you’re asking people who actively understand and studied this conflict to “wait for more information”
like yeah, they’re gonna be on your ass for it
you niggas like to play skeptic in here for a cheap “intellectual” victory around people who actively have followed this way before this s*** even popped off
Exactly why I avoid those types of posts
No need to engage with obvious gotcha types of people looking to score points
This is foolish.
It is ALWAYS important to think critically. No matter what. Not least because when you don’t, people will stop trusting you, and you can hurt the perception of the very thing you care so much about. You lose the ability to see things honestly. What a ridiculous statement. Of course it needs a long term critical approach. If not that, then what? Blind faith?
If you truly refuse to ever doubt the claims a Palestinian makes ever again then you are in a cult, plain and simple. This is the very basis of dogma. It’s sad to see the complete rejection of intellectual curiosity and truth seeking be championed here.
Shut your troll ass up
Smart response
If you can’t respond to my last post to you then you have no business pretending to be impartial here
Not you btw you’re not wrong in some cases but it’s getting annoying that every time Midzy gets itt the thread gets derailed. It’s getting quite obvious now
I'm not derailing anything by posting news I found out about. And about 3 people tried to bait me into a debate in the last hour but it's crickets for them?
The hospital incident is over so I won't be bringing it up anymore. I'm glad the building did not get leveled.
"A hospital was bombed" -> The IDF bombed a hospital -> Hamas bombed a hospital -> Hamas isn't even capable of that -> It was an accident then but Hamas did it -> No they didn't -> It was a parking lot -> That's a city street in the most populated place on earth atm -> Well 500 didn't die
Fog of war forensics are the dumbest part of the discourse, but peoples' interpretations of them speak loud and clear. Raves outside of concentration camps, a million dead Israeli babies, and mind palace bombing conspiracies. Every narrative set up, hammered home, and moved on from. Exhausting nonsense.
Sleepy Joe said the bombing came from "the other team." Crazy stuff
This is foolish.
It is ALWAYS important to think critically. No matter what. Not least because when you don’t, people will stop trusting you, and you can hurt the perception of the very thing you care so much about. You lose the ability to see things honestly. What a ridiculous statement. Of course it needs a long term critical approach. If not that, then what? Blind faith?
If you truly refuse to ever doubt the claims a Palestinian makes ever again then you are in a cult, plain and simple. This is the very basis of dogma. It’s sad to see the complete rejection of intellectual curiosity and truth seeking be championed here.
So do you think Israel should exist or not?
Biden ain't even know the plane was going to Israel. Buddy thought they were going out for ice cream
Israel : Hamas bombed the hospital
Dumbass : Wow it hit a parking lot no way 500 people are dead. Can’t believe Hamas lied to us
?????????
most of these arguments would never come up if ppl didnt start following this conflict two weeks ago
they arguing just to argue
So do you think Israel should exist or not?
Thought crime genocide.
If Israel wants to police Gaza and slowly claim it for themselves, every Arab there should be a citizen of Israel. If they don't, they should lift the blockade and normalize relations.
They've chosen genocide. Not a pretend one in an argument.
everyone itt knows that a statement from either party is going to be biased. they would still get posted itt. israels biased statements have been posted itt. bidens biased statements have been posted itt.
you were the first person to interact with that post, and someone who was genuinely interested in learning would've read it and took it with a grain of salt. instead you are in here like "well askhually isn't this biased should this be posted itt?"
if you can't answer a question as simple as "do you think joe biden's statements are biased?"
then you've either spent less than 15 minutes looking into this situation, or are just full of s*** and trolling.
you do not come off as someone arguing in good faith. you come off as a troll or an idiot with 0 self awareness.
I think it is you, and many in this thread that are incapable of talking about this in good faith
Conversation feels sadly futile
What you said here is dishonest
People ITT are saying that Hamas should be believed without question
A person genuinely interested asks questions and has humility
That is apparently frowned upon here
Relaying information from mainstream news sources will get accusations of “troll” thrown at you
This is insanity
I’ve been truly shocked to see things like “wait for more information”, “proof”, and “intellectual” put in quotation marks as a means of discrediting