"western left irl"

You mean people who saw the DSA on Twitter in 2016

If you mean them reading the quran and becoming muslim, thats amazing

no, just among the left

What is a "left"

god's strongest obama voters

My point exactly. If you can't seriously define a left coalition what use is there in critiquing it

Dog I have never been apart of the DSA or anything like that, it’s well known the left in the US suffers from these issues. I’m not defending this s***, I’m just saying it is a sad reality. Not sure why you’re getting defensive at me, I’m telling you what I’ve witnessed both in organizations I’ve participated in and in ones I’ve watched from the sidelines

Obviously not every single organization has these issues but you’re kidding yourself if you think the left in the US doesn’t have a habit of self cannibalizing over stupid bullshit

What left organizations? The DSA is the only nominally left org with representation in congress.

The habit they have is simply not existing post labor crackdown. There's a huge ecosystem of content creators, but the orgs themselves are still anemic.

These ppl aren’t converting lol

A lot are on tiktok but not sure who youre exactly refering to

Plenty of leftist orgs outside of electoral politics
Have you done any organizing irl yourself? It definitely is a real issue

What left organizations? The DSA

pretty sure no one itt has anything nice to say about the DSA lol, thats not the organizing hes referring to

Labour unions, tenant unions, groups involved in campus politics, Palestinian groups, PSL, etc. i think most people who organize here are involved in these sorts of groups, and more smaller community based orgs

That's nice, but those orgs have like zero pull in national politics. Microscopic footprint. Almost no lobbying capacity. You might as well critique the folks at church. When people throw shade at "the left" for infighting I'm doing the for a reason

your only conception of politics is electoral politics, got it

A sweeping critique of "the left" would imply some monolithic, national politic yes. Not a million discreet local orgs.

This isn't a "this is good" "this is bad" argument which I know is impossible for KTTers to wrap their head around. It's more a "you're inventing a guy to be mad at" argument. Is "the left" in the room with us right now

Yk one of the ironies of ppl calling all criticism of Israel antisemitism is that it actually increases antisemitic sentiment

First of all if you’re calling everything antisemitic, including things that are obviously not antisemitic, then a lot of people are no longer gonna believe it when you call things that actually are antisemitic, antisemitic

And when you’re claiming that it is antisemitic because Israel represents the Jews, and people believe you saying that it does, then people who hate what Israel is doing are going to start hating Jews as well

It’s super frustrating bc I’m noticing ppl who are pretty much apolitical repeating antisemitic nonsense because of this. Luckily they’re apolitical and don’t actually get involved with advocating for Palestine publically like that, but it’s actually dangerous and does increase antisemitism. It pisses me off ngl

The founding of israel has been the greatest catastrophe for the Jews since the holocaust by far, which makes it all the more disgusting that non-Jewish zionists are going so hard on this antisemitism bullshit and are even using it against Jews themselves, they can go kill themselves in all honesty

Craziest part about the "do you condemn hamas" s*** is that hamas is literally teenagers who are being genocided it couldn't be more on the nose how evil that entire narrative is

But do you condemn Hamas!? /S

Turkish pajeets r worse than hindutva pajeets tbh

commondreams.org/news/south-africa-israel-icj

I know international law/courts are jokes a lot of the time but please please PLEASE let this be a step towards making this end

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