From the footage of Hamas storming IDF barracks it looks like they literally caught Israel with their pants down.

This seriously might go down as one of the biggest blunders ever from a country’s intelligence agencies.

and again iran and hamas managed to outsmart mossad/IDF only because they were too busy fighting among themselves about the judicial reform. it all goes back to the same party

You are lost. You say "hamas" like its a different entity that exists within Gaza, to somehow dislegitmize it. Hamas is just a political party with a military wing. IT IS Palestinians.

Palestinians were getting killed and oppressed everyday regardless if they attacked or not. You just didn't care enough to see it coz it wasnt Israelis getting killed before.

Expecting Palestinians to just accept complete oppression and suffering for decades without fighting back is expecting them to be unhuman.

Also there is literally no evidence that anybody was raped, also none of that dislegitmizes the fact Palestinians have every right to fight back.

Gaza was already being erased. That was always the plan with or w/o resistance. Death by a thousand cuts (prohibiting food/water/medical necessities from entering the region.. pillaging land & starting settlements with suppression by every Western media outlet) or taking land after "justified" invasions after violent resistance.

The only reason it hasn't happened quicker is because Israeli establishment politicians want to stay in power. If they could drop one bomb and wipe out the entire place without consequence they would.

"Interest of Iran and Hezbollah" lol, you most definitely do not consider Palestinians human enough to deserve rights.

"Oh, these hamas terrorists want to kill Jews coz Iran and Hezbollah said so".

If your political understand of Palestine and the region is that ignorant and surface leveled, I suggest you stfu. Its better.

people itt are saying “well israel did this” do justify the rape and murder of civillians

even if you are pro palestine letting that rock is atrocious

prolly the best post in the whole thread

"Justify"

Israel literally did this. All the bloodshed is from it and its delusional psychopathic rule that expects Palestinians to just accept oppression and occupation, and die willingly.

If you can not differentiate between the occupied and the occupier, then you are 100% with the occupier.

All that "both sides" nonsense doesn't mean s***.

okay so what do 200 civillians at a music festival have to do with any of this

Not murdering and raping civillians is accepting oppression

The festival was held just three miles from the fence that divides Israel from the Gaza Strip. D**** and partying near a concentration camp that your people created…

Who the f*** hosts a music festival near a location where supposed terrorists reside?

Was talking about Israel wading into Gaza Strip last year acting like the new Gestapo and removing Palestinians from their homes to rehouse Israelis so you can shut up about that, that guy.

Nobody’s saying that Palestinians can’t fight back and go after the IDF, that’s fully within the Geneva Convention. But I’m not sit here and defend them going into civilian parts of Israel killing raping and kidnapping.

Idiots like you really don’t see far past the length of your own beliefs and it’s why you think there’s a righteous side to pick from either IDF or Hamas.

You go and keep defending that s*** happening to women and children on the weekend. I’ve been talking about Israel’s human rights & genocide campaign for years and I’m not about to be a hypocrite and start defending Palestine start their own campaign of murder and violation.

Shut up, b****. Hamas have been more then forthcoming that several countries have been been green lighting their activities.

And now we know it was Iran who green lit the weekend’s invasion in a meeting last Monday.

Hamas aren’t about liberating Palestinians, they’re about bowing to their foreign masters from their Qatari penthouses.

Putting the focus on the (sadly inevitable) excesses in a war of liberation, instead of the oppression that is at the root of all of this violence, will not contribute to the end of anybody's suffering

The best way to prevent anti-colonial violence is by putting an end to the colonial violence that necessitates it

Damn, sounds like you’re suddenly all for oppression.

Going back to my point about “you don’t have a problem with oppression, you just want it to come from the people you like”.

Not for nothing, and not co-signing Hamas' violence. But the way I see it, they really just keeping the same energy Israel has had for Palestinians for decades. And in the grand scheme of things, their retaliation is just a drop in the hat in comparison to all that Israel has done.

Yes I want the oppressors oppressed. Youre right

Do we have the numbers of how many israelis are zionists?

To me it's just wild to have this "violence is never the answer" kinda energy for Palestinians when they decide to defend themselves after decades of violence towards them. But have been quiet about the Israeli government doing everything in their power to strip Palestinians of their homes, land, and human rights.

If you want oppression to swap places then you’ve never had a problem with oppression in the first place.

If you're mad about Hamas's acts of violence, which is totally fine to be, just understand they have not and likely never will match the violence and war crimes committed by Israel.

Its so tiring

Oh no.