Apr 8, 2021
taskforcesector6idk if im right but in 2007 you might've had
Tier 1: Jay
Tier 2: Kanye & 50
Tier 3: Jim Jones, Wayne, Jeezy, Fat Joe, GameDelusional
- Apr 8, 2021El Nigga
HOV being the GOAT is laughable imo but its a very popular opinion these days lol. Dude wasn't even top 2 in his own city during hip hips golden era. Had to copy Puff/Bad Boys style cause he wasn't making money/hits after BIGs death. Got destroyed by Nas(not debatable, he admitted defeat), renegaded by Em, was not as big as 50 or Em during the early 2000s and then rode Kanye's coattails for the rest of the decade until Kanye's juice ran out. Saying Jay is the GOAT imo is like saying Kobe is the GOAT. Sure, they're good. But they're literally the poor mans version of a better MC/player. MJ/BIG.
Kobe slander unnecessary
- Apr 8, 2021·1 replyEl Nigga
HOV being the GOAT is laughable imo but its a very popular opinion these days lol. Dude wasn't even top 2 in his own city during hip hips golden era. Had to copy Puff/Bad Boys style cause he wasn't making money/hits after BIGs death. Got destroyed by Nas(not debatable, he admitted defeat), renegaded by Em, was not as big as 50 or Em during the early 2000s and then rode Kanye's coattails for the rest of the decade until Kanye's juice ran out. Saying Jay is the GOAT imo is like saying Kobe is the GOAT. Sure, they're good. But they're literally the poor mans version of a better MC/player. MJ/BIG.
White
Apr 8, 2021·2 repliesThe biggest fw sales of 1998 went to.. The Beastie Boys?
The Beastie Boys confuse tf out of me tbh, does the hip hop community legitimately f*** with Beastie Boys or were they like the Macklemore of their time? I feel like they are more accepted than Vanilla Ice but less accepted than Mac Miller? Anybody have any input on this lol
- Apr 8, 2021
Jay stans doing everything to avoid the truth
- Apr 8, 2021·1 replyTheory
The biggest fw sales of 1998 went to.. The Beastie Boys?
The Beastie Boys confuse tf out of me tbh, does the hip hop community legitimately f*** with Beastie Boys or were they like the Macklemore of their time? I feel like they are more accepted than Vanilla Ice but less accepted than Mac Miller? Anybody have any input on this lol
Honestly you should be ashamed for typing this & comparing them to f***ing Macklemore & Vanilla Uce
Paul’s Boutique is the landmark album from the ‘80s. Revolutionized sampling & production like no other 
also 98’s Hello Nasty is a f***ing banger album. Listen to Intergalactic 💯 
Apr 8, 2021The answer is no
But his goatness is in his longevity.
- Apr 8, 2021BIGSTEPPERDISNEY
Honestly you should be ashamed for typing this & comparing them to f***ing Macklemore & Vanilla Uce
Paul’s Boutique is the landmark album from the ‘80s. Revolutionized sampling & production like no other also 98’s Hello Nasty is a f***ing banger album. Listen to Intergalactic 💯 https://ktt2.com/the-official-beastie-boys-thread-96753
I’m not comparing them musically, I know their albums are well received (and I’m familiar with Intergalactic, the song does smack lol).
But seeing they had the biggest first week sales of 98 just had me wondering if they are really accepted by the hip hop community given they more so have a rock sound? Like, when talking about 98 are people saying Beastie Boys were the biggest rappers, or are they kind of excluded from that sort of convo?
Like obviously they have a far better legacy than Vanilla Ice, not even debatable lol. Reading on it it seems like people respected that the Beastie Boys had their own sound, weren’t trying to act black or speak on the black experience, so it didn’t come across as appropriation
Mmm Hmm 😆Apr 8, 20212001
That's about it.
Apr 8, 2021Big pimpin s***s on all of blueprint commercially lol.
- Apr 8, 2021
tomorrow volverseits pretty easy to be better than rappers who died before they could maximize their skill level.
you have to remember how many eras Biggie & Pac never got the chance to live through and how many stylistic changes they could've had.
!https://youtu.be/oky_e0kRTjs?list=PL3MlYMU10138cl20stGf71Xcv29Poyv6J!https://youtu.be/EZPmTaGc88Y?list=PLFYPsmy1oEIaOK-zDrLlnqtQKgo1TGxfWMe personally. I think most of Pac's work doesn't really hold up to either jay or Biggie skill wise, but we really don't know if Big would flow better on this beat that Jay if he was alive today
yeah, but it's also good to die before you can fall off. think of how lots of rappers have aged. no one is checking for a Nelly album. Or Mobb Deep. Or even Nas that much. Eminem still moves units but he's kind of a punchline now. Dying young has its hip-hop advantages
Agree about Pac from just rhyming standpoint, his flows aren't as intricate. But rap is also about style and energy and how much your music resonates with people, which Pac has over pretty much every rapper. He had a number 1 debut 5 years after he died
- Apr 8, 2021
YANDHIi think he's tryna make the argument because his posthumous album Until the End of Time was pretty big?....argument doesn't hold up well tho but it sold on par with many big rappers first weeks
edit: didn't see your last part
Pac had the 2nd highest first week sales that year, just barely behind DMX. But Jay was also just barely behind Pac. DMX-439k, Pac-427k, Jay-420k. But someone brought up that his album woulda done better without 9/11
- Apr 8, 2021·1 reply
ClassiqueYup people don't understand that. It's deeper than music and sales. Hov was omnipresent present force with music, the ROC, rocawear, collaborations. Like now we have Drake who didn't outsell Eminem, Kendrick, and Future in 2017 and Culture which dropped a year prior was neck and neck with More Life the whole year. Drake's just on his own plane above the rest of the game
More Life is a playlist that Drake didn't promote. Don't even think he had physicals until later in the release
- Apr 8, 2021·1 reply
ahndial'99, '01, '03 are debatable.
I think he had 03 tho
GRODT that's 50's year
- Apr 8, 2021El Nigga
After BIG died Bad Boy/Puff had the game on lock. From 97 until early 99 Bad Boy ran the radio/charts. Jay was so behind them that he felt the need to copy their flashy, danceable style and it earned him a lot of criticism at the time. Especially when he released the Sunshine video, where he blatantly copied the Bad Boy style. Jay so ashamed of that video you cant even find it on youtube lol
Wasn't until the end of 98 when he released Hard Knock Life that Jay really started coming into his own, in terms of selling records and popularity. But as a kid during that time, Jay never felt like the biggest rapper itw to me
damn how have I never seen this hahahaha
- Apr 8, 2021knockknockwhoitis
More Life is a playlist that Drake didn't promote. Don't even think he had physicals until later in the release
It was announced like 5 months before it dropped and several singles were released in promotion of it
- Apr 8, 2021knockknockwhoitis
1996: Tupac
1997: Biggie
1998: DMX
1999: DMX
2000: Eminem (hon mention Dr. Dre)
2001: Jay's best argument. It's DMX, Tupac, or Jay Z
2002: Eminem (or Nelly)etc.
I think its fair to give 99 to Jay. Vol 3 while not his best record had Big Pimpin on it. That song was f***ing everywhere back in the day
Apr 8, 2021wait until ktt finds out that sales dont mean anything when ranking rappers
Apr 8, 2021·1 replyClassiqueNo Limit and Cash Money don't get enough respect
No limit are the prototype for people spamming streaming with quantity instead of quality to this day
- Apr 8, 2021
RX Nigerian PastorYup, no disrespect to 50, dmx, nas, nelly, ja rule, mase, em, (I think those are the only ones who can be compared to jay) but he’s outlasted them all and definitely has the greatest legacy.
Goat
nah Em still does numbers. Culture doesn't rate him as much but he still has impact
- Apr 8, 2021·1 reply
Also @op why was 2pac arguably the best rapper in 2001 when he’d been dead 5 years
and you really think DMX had a better 2001? Blueprint vs the Great Depression? Blueprint is far superior and even though it may have sold like 20k less opening week it’s surpassed it in overall sales... when the Great Depression rolled around DMX was already on the decline tbh - Apr 8, 2021·1 replyAftermathbws_
Also @op why was 2pac arguably the best rapper in 2001 when he’d been dead 5 years
and you really think DMX had a better 2001? Blueprint vs the Great Depression? Blueprint is far superior and even though it may have sold like 20k less opening week it’s surpassed it in overall sales... when the Great Depression rolled around DMX was already on the decline tbhtrue that's fair. i was just going off fw sales
- Apr 8, 2021knockknockwhoitis
true that's fair. i was just going off fw sales
2001 was really all about Nas vs jay z, blueprint vs. Stillmatic, takeover vs ether
- Apr 8, 2021·2 repliesAftermathbws_
No limit are the prototype for people spamming streaming with quantity instead of quality to this day
billboard this billboard that. they sold close to 80 million in their prime run during a time when people had to go outside and fork over $10 for an album and limewire and napster were around it’s obscene and people just ignore it. honestly probably more impressive than what drake’s been doing lately which is historic in its own right
- Apr 8, 2021bloom
White
the go to "i got nothing to respond with" response
dont ever call me white again tho