I know people with degrees who are both unintelligent and believe in dumb s***. Having a degree has nothing to do with it.

How does believing in the supernatural make you unintelligent. Most of the way the universe works is not even understood. The way I see it the supernatural is simply part of the universe that we can't explain yet. Looking down on people who believe in it won't make you any more intelligent I promise lol

I don't see anything. Let me in on the joke

the notion that unexplainable stuff only occurs when there are no measuring instruments or cameras etc. around is absurd. All of the phenomena slated as 'supernatural' can be physically explained with enough time spent looking around.

When I was in Chihuahua, Mexico, I went outside for a smoke at 3AM and saw La Llorona...

I saw a ghost once

Sleep paralysis

I live in the Conjuring movie house

There's been enough stuff happening on camera and when there are measuring instruments though. The whole thing is that it's not known how to measure it, and it might also be the case that not everyone is as sensitive to it. As someone who has literally seen stuff that doesn't make sense it's just funny to see someone say that I must be unintelligent, regardless of the fact that it wasn't just me who witnessed it at that time, but multiple people.

right and as you must know human testimony is single-handedly the most inaccurate type of evidence known to man. Anecdotes don't prove anything other than the fact that the human brain is capable of tricking itself.

feel free to link anything that you consider to be "enough stuff happening on camera" btw

As for us not knowing how to measure it, you might be right about that. It was the case for many things in the past such as gravity and radiation, but the difference is that these things were not selectively present to only a few people.

I see myself as very open-minded, If I can be given a reason to doubt something or think in a differing way I will. I just do not have the capability to believe in some hocus pocus on the basis of "what if" and in the absence of any form of proof.

I don't think we know everything, but I do think that if f***ing spirits were flying around messing with s*** there would be at least someone of merit talking about it or some evidence available.

Well I'm not saying it's clear cut evidence. Obviously I would need to prove it to have people who weren't there at those times believe me. But my experiences are valid observations. And the empirical cycle starts with observation, so while human testimonies might not be 100% reliable that doesn't mean they're all completely unreliable. Without human observation a lot of things wouldn't even have been discovered. Discovering something new starts with observing something, and then trying to prove it's existence.

Nobody has seen extraterrestrials either and yet many people, including scientists, are convinced they exist. For all we know these supernatural experiences are the doings of extraterrestrial beings.

I think you’re confusing open minded with gullible

1. I don’t like how you started off with a straw man argument but here’s an explanation: it’s almost impossible for life to exist only on earth due to the rarity of a statistical anomaly that great in magnitude- as we have evidence of X occurring on our planet and the conditions Y seem to have brought it into existence we can fathom that in an infinite universe there exists a Y’ that has/will give rise to a X’.

2. I totally agree that observation is integral to our lives, it’s the basis of science and we use it everyday. Can you share your experience? + I would refer you back to my previous comment of your mind playing tricks on you. It’s very well documented that a mind in absence of the clarity of all senses (ex. Dark or inconceivably silent) will try to fill in gaps with artificial knowledge -> experience things that aren’t real.

Lol man try again, you can’t be the guys arguing for the prevalence of supernatural phenomena and call the guy who argues on the basis of Science and empirical evidence gullible.
L so hard

I might've straw manned on accident, I'm not an expert with that typa stuff. I do think you've used a straw man argument on me as well so this goes both ways. Regarding your first point, I'm aware of this, and it's the reason I believe in extraterrestrial life myself.
I know of how the mind can work. I've had experiences with sleep paralysis where things happen that I know aren't real. As for an example:

There was a night where I heard clear footsteps coming up the stairs while there was no one on them. Both my brother who was downstairs busy working on something and my mother as well as me heard it. I actually tried looking if someone came up, but there was no one there. This wasn't faint noises, it was the exact same noise the stairs made when someone goes up and had a clear walking rythm to it. It was loud enough to hear throughout the whole house.
I actually hadn't mentioned hearing it to either my mother or my brother until my mother mentioned it later.

yeah this ghost named Ellinia scared tf outta me

I deal with he supernatural on the daily