Andre Jaquet

1y

ah my bad for misreading.
yea thats very fair points, real s***. Im just saying though that again whether you think one leads to the other right, at the end of the day IF we are to adopt and classify people as right or left wing, usually we use left and right wing to determine a persons whole position right, its loaded. So we generally can say "oh im economically right leaning" but if they are left wing on literally everything else, we wouldnt generally classify them as right wing. And as you said, there are ways you can be pro a dif form of capitalism, and still be economically center left.
thats essentially all i was saying. saying someone is right wing esp in america is not just saying someone is economically right leaning, it comes with a whole lot of other stuff. to be right wing as a whole you need to be right wing socially aswell. left wing is a very broad group of people
id say most people on the left wing, are socially left wing but economically around the center, usually center left or center.
I also agree its not the best way to accurately describe yourself lol but thats also why using just whether someone is economically center, center left, or center right to say whether they r right wing as a whole kinda contradicts the whole use people usually use that spectrum for. if your right wing that means you are more right wign than left, in economics and social issues etc etc. we dont determine whether someone is left or right wing purely based on their economic position unless it is to an extreme, most left wing people are socially left wing and either center or left center or in some cases right center in their economic views.
you may believe that that system leads to f***ed up s***, but others would argue it doesnt, if you believe that isnt the case thats a dif of opinion whether you disagree or not you agree your focus is progress and equality.
someone can believe in regulated capitalism, there isnt necessarily economic equality obviously but people can meet their basic needs if they work and that they have things such as equal rights, they are treated equally. there will always be some level of equality and someone thats more against socialism would argue that the level of equality that socialism strives for leads to everyone being equally lower, and that some level of inequality is necessary for exceptionalism. their priority is still equality socially, equality in terms of rights, and that everyone is atleast equal in terms of being able to sustain themselves, but that inequality to an extent is necessary for multiple things even outside of just peoples conditions, but perhaps for the sustainability of the country or market, the production of art, etc. you can disagree of course and you probably will, im not here to convicne you of capitalism, but the values of: we want the bottom line to be taken care of, we want social equality, we want equality and we oppose certain socail hierarchies. you can either oppose hierarchy as a whole, icnluding any level of it economically, or you can oppose that there isnt enough equality of opportunity for marginalized people. that would be a center left view where yes you say inequality is an inveitability for society to prosper, but that there are limits to how much that inequality should be. one could argue inequality is inevitable but we have systems in place we should use to stave off inequality that is too extreme, with welfare social programs etc etc.

so yea as a left winger economically you could say you want total equality economically yes but you could also still accept some level of inequality while advocating for systems to make that inequality reasonable and not leave people starving while still contributing. canada is generally considered a capitalist country with a mixed economy for example. most of the businesses are privately owned, class definetely exists, it operates in international trade and investment, market forces say how much s*** costs, but they have social programs to provide guardrails and are socially left wing. its still capitalist though. theres still a level of inequality. you can advocate for that stuff in the us, but still think there isnt a problem with it staying capitalist. that wouldnt make you right wing. you still think it should be a capitalist country. to tie it to the og post, you can also still like buying expensive s***, consuming, and the idea of having wealth, that doesnt make you right wing. it cant be either your left wing for preaching totally equality on everything or your right wing for preaching any level of inequality, which i think you probably agree with me on. its more nuanced than that, and its an imbalanced view on things to say otherwise.

also for what @Synopsis said yes conservatism means "uphold" but also if you had a socialist system in place of course you would want to maintain that status quo left wing doesnt mean just break anything thats there, its just "we can improve things, we should look to the future to make things better" whether thats socially or economically. liberalism in the us is usually social liberalism, which focuses more on a mixed economy, welfare, social justice, etc, to be integrated into the capitalist USA, unlike classical liberals. most of the "liberals" in the us, are that .cuz usually when europe refers to liberalism, its closer to classical liberalism.
BUT we will argue that part all day because even poli sci majors will f***ing debate it endlessly, so i dont really care to die on the liberal hill lol

xxxkiraxxx

1y

That was a big ass yapping session lol but I wanted to make sure you understand the other side. At the end of the day you're right - a discussion like this could go on for days and people are already confident in their position so we shouldn't waste more time on this. I don't think I have anything left to add here. I'm out of this b**** fr this time - ask @NewYorkCity if you have wanna go deeper than that

Enjoy the rest of the Champions League night (if you watch it too)

LikewhoIsHe

1y

Paragraphs written by 17 years about the black race

Oh brother

F*** yall niggas

PFLP optimisticman

1y

I just use that terminology to better describe what I am. I'm not a fan of Tariq nasheed or American black bourgeoisie nationalism

LikewhoIsHe

1y

Paragraphs written by 17 years about the black race

Oh brother

F*** yall niggas

Gangy

1y

F*** up

Andre Jaquet

1y

brainrot

insertcoolnamehere

1y

those 3 things you listed aren't right wing tho :?

Water Giver

1y

i feel like you gotta be white asl or sheltered asl to see the few "right wing" aspects of Rap as truly right wing

also those few aspects of "right wing" has been Rap since the 80s, this ISNT new LOL

CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

1y

Very unserious thread I'm afraid