Applying the INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE medium ethos to hiphop production

What IS the medium ethos of Into the Spider-Verse?

Into the Spider-Verse takes on the current landscape of major studio animation - in all its realistic glory - shaped by the influence of Pixar, and flips it on its head. Following the principle that subversion should excel at what it subverts before it can subvert it, the animation of Spider-Verse is both based in a standard cgi animation style and a cartoony style stripped from the pages of a classic Marvel comic issue.

This idea to bring a comic book look and feel to current animation also brought about 2d animation techniques such as drawn motion lines and lower frame rates. The ethos of taking the status quo of a medium at the time and bringing in an outside influence to shape a new style proved to be a winning one for the film.

…one that I believe should be brought to current mainstream hiphop production.

To be more specific, the solution to the problem of mainstream hiphop production and becoming so sterile, so rigid, and so lifeless due mainly to the aforementioned along with a near death of harmony is a blend of current hiphop’s basic sensibilities and a non-hiphop genre. A great example of this in practice is the Neptunes. They blended the club hiphop sensibilities at the time with 70s funk and soul, and a fresh sound was born.

As for the rapping, not much needs to be said beyond the fact that there’s a need for more dynamic and varied flows, more wit and clever bars, and more options for subject matter. This is similar to how Into the Spider-Verse itself has great character development, character design (not just visually), and tight and substantive storytelling, along with themes that are universally resonant. But what do you guys think?

- BRAVE

Rod Wave is the new Neptunes

so pretty much hip hop needs to blend a different genre for a fresh sound

yes i agree

Also I don’t think subversive is the right word

hip hop is in its theme park movie phase

Serious thought though. HipHop has always built itself off the idea of being a place where rap and rap styles were placed over sampled production and inspired compositions from all over the world, from hardcore (Deftones and Destroy Lonely) to world music (Indian religious music on Ginseng Strip) to things with electronic influence (rage sounds

I don’t think this thread presents anything new for the world of HipHop to contemplate, I think it’s rather a marker that it’s just time to move elsewhere in terms of creative influence, or it’s time for hiphop to dive back into what made it so great at its base rather than pursuing the superficiality that the pop world provides in assumption of its base tenets still being as intact as they should be

Plenty of hip hop artists are doing this but they're not of any mainstream significance so the influence isn't coming through in a noticeable way.

More rap stars need to take chances.

Today I saw a group of rollerskaters have a dance battle with some b-boys, no exaggeration it was a beautiful thing

BRAVE

Hip-Hop needs its Freddy Got Fingered phase

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I agree that hip-hop needs something new injected into it but I don't think mass produced superhero movies are a good ideal to live up to. Hip-hop's decline and the capeshit slop factory have the same root problem

hip hop is fine

in 5/6 years we’re gonna see a new gen of artists take over and get label backing

as of rn the best stuff is still underground

no offense to destroy lonely and them, but they feel like the last of that kind of wave

labels are still gonna wanna back drill and soundcloud / carti clones. atp it’s almost starting to sound revivalism and that sound is barely a decade year old.

i think yeat and lone push it forward, but idk. i’m just waiting for pink siifu and z to be jpeg big

Closest thing was juice wrld, xxxtentacion, ski mask and trippie reddd, Youngboy, Kodak all being buddies

I don't think thats the main problem with the production in hip hop. Repetitive song structure, lack of dynamics, even chord progressions has a lot of to do with how stale the genre has become. Theres so much cookie cutter s*** nowadays. What happens to bridges in hip hop? Instead of searching for a new sound that will just be played out within a matter of a year, the genre needs to be more refined. Niggas need to start focus on making actual well produced songs rather than a lazy hook/16bar/hook

what exactly does "medium ethos" mean

Im working on dying

Have you seen Across the Spiderverse

People already doing this but always adding in trap drum patterns

“the problem of mainstream hiphop production and becoming so sterile, so rigid, and so lifeless”

“a near death of harmony”

This is the simplified version but my original post was even longer and I fleshed out the problems with lack of dynamics, song structure and the death of harmony (aka chords)

The ethos of how it takes on its medium

Locking cause I realized a certain someone is gonna come in here talking s*** and derail the thread. Normally I wouldn’t give af but now I’d rather lock it than deal with that lol