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  • Mar 13, 2021
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    SWEEN

    Aint noone else like safe...appreciate ya

    He literally took my threads from yesterday and applied the concept to Spotify. This is literally “hey can I copy your homework? Yeah but change it up a little bit” except I didn’t say yeah, he just locked my thread and waited til the next day to take the idea and make his own thread. He also Came in the thread and said I was wrong but yet here we are.

    He could argue that Spotify is different but I’m telling you and anyone reading this, positively, absolutely guaranteed without a shadow of doubt, I PLANTED THE SEED OF THIS IDEA IN HIS HEAD!!! This is MY S*** motherfuckers S*** on me yesterday when I said the same s*** because they were riding Safes d***. Then he says the same s*** I say and the same mfers say oh u a genius SAFE! I get it tho that’s how the game works...

  • Mar 13, 2021
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    safe

    Spotify has a real problem. Somewhere around 30% of Spotify streams come from playlists rather than user selection. This means 30% of Spotify's streams are decided by people other than the user - aka Labels.

    This isn't really a problem on Apple - Apple has some playlists of course, but usage of these playlists is far lower than on Spotify where millions of people follow playlists like Rap Caviar.

    I had a little time this week and decided to fix Spotify's charts by adjusting for this playlisting.

    I got the weekly chart of the most streamed songs in the US and using SongStats I calculated the average playlist reach for the week for each song. Playlist reach is the number of users being reached by playlists that the song is featured on (i.e 100m means 100m users follow playlists where the song can be found). I adjusted the weekly streams of each song based on this playlist reach to create a new version of the Top 20 chart that removes the bias of playlisting and just shows true popularity of songs.

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    Method

    Just some quick notes so people can replicate this. I averaged playlist reach for the Friday-Thursday period for each song. I then calculated the rate of streams from playlist reach - weekly streams divided by average playlist reach. I used the median of this rate for the top 20 songs as a typical conversion rate of playlisting into stream counts. This was around 6%. From this I calculated an expected number of streams for each song - simply 6% of the playlist reach for each song. I then calculated how many streams the song actually got compared to this value. This gave me a measure I'm calling 'Streams Above Expected'. This tells me how many streams a song did compared to what I would've expected it to do if I just knew it's playlist reach. A song that performs well on this measure is exceeding what we'd expect for the song given how much it's playlist. A song performing badly is essentially being propped up by playlisting rather than actual popularity.

    Some Thoughts on the Results
    • It is biased towards new songs. This makes sense as for new songs users are going out of their way to find and listen to the song. I know I tend to listen to a song much more upon week of release than down the line. To me this shows the formula is effective rather than it being an issue.

    • Rap benefits. Of around 7 rap songs on the chart, all increased except What's Next which fell from #1 to #2 and Up which fell from #8 to #13. Generally speaking rap clearly tends to get playlisted less compared to the popularity of the genre making it's dominance on the hot 100 even more impressive.

    • Bigger artists get hurt especially pop artists. Some of the biggest drops were from songs that are generally regarded as huge songs - Driver's License, Blinding Lights, Mood etc. These are songs that are largely getting propped up by radio and playlisting in terms of charts. This isn't surprising - pop regularly is renowned for payola. This just shows that pop streams tend to be more shaky than rap streams.

    • Apple Music Charts are far more accurate. These charts are far closer in line to Apple's top charts than the previous chart. A lot of people talk about Apple's charts as being more skewed toward rap and young people because of user demographics. This result suggests this isn't necessarily the case. The charts are skewed that way because those songs are actually more popular - Spotify's heavy reliance on playlisting is what makes their charts more pop heavy.

    • The gap between Drake and everyone else is even bigger than the charts suggest. There isn't enough playlist reach available for him to not be well exceeding the expected streams especially early in a songs life.

    What do yall think of this? Would you wanna see this done regularly?

    Where did the somewhere around 30% stat come from? Not saying you’re wrong, but where did it come from?

  • Mar 13, 2021

    Dam this kinda hard ngl

  • Mar 13, 2021

    someone need a diaper change...

  • Mar 13, 2021
    mr get dough

    Amazing work but we gone get u some coochie bro i promise

  • Mar 13, 2021
    Slingshot

    what a surprise the song that looks most like some industry plant s*** fell 10 spots😭

    Nah that b**** is like the new miley cyrus or something i think shes on disney or nickelodeon. And plus i here that song everyyywhere

  • Mar 13, 2021
    blachaze

    Not gonna get some random pic off google images to appease some bums, they will respect what I say regardless of what their fingers type because I say the facts

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    with how much love LPF is getting all on social media i’m surprised it’s the least played song on the EP

  • Mar 13, 2021

    I’m dead serious I can break it down and prove it how he’s literally saying my exact points from yesterday that he disagreed with

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    @safe fixed the charts, now fix the hot 100

  • Mar 13, 2021

    dope stuff

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    I doubt labels/Spotify/RIAA care about this unfortunately, even though it’s basically payola

    @safe I wonder if this phenomena can also be observed with Spotify’s auto-play or song radio functions? As in are these songs more likely to be played if a user lets a song end and first select anything else? Not sure if this makes sense

  • Mar 13, 2021

    Clearing out the bullshit, I love to see it

  • Mar 13, 2021
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    Nice

    Now can u let me have the MSCT in Music please

  • Mar 13, 2021
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    blachaze

    He literally took my threads from yesterday and applied the concept to Spotify. This is literally “hey can I copy your homework? Yeah but change it up a little bit” except I didn’t say yeah, he just locked my thread and waited til the next day to take the idea and make his own thread. He also Came in the thread and said I was wrong but yet here we are.

    He could argue that Spotify is different but I’m telling you and anyone reading this, positively, absolutely guaranteed without a shadow of doubt, I PLANTED THE SEED OF THIS IDEA IN HIS HEAD!!! This is MY S*** motherfuckers S*** on me yesterday when I said the same s*** because they were riding Safes d***. Then he says the same s*** I say and the same mfers say oh u a genius SAFE! I get it tho that’s how the game works...

    Oh you made the record breaking in hip hop thread lol. Why did they lock it lol? You had some points

  • Mar 13, 2021

    Pooh Sheisty went up

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    Mar 13, 2021
    blachaze

    Not gonna get some random pic off google images to appease some bums, they will respect what I say regardless of what their fingers type because I say the facts

    LMFAO

  • Mar 13, 2021

    Pooh goin up

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    Mar 13, 2021
    blachaze

    He literally took my threads from yesterday and applied the concept to Spotify. This is literally “hey can I copy your homework? Yeah but change it up a little bit” except I didn’t say yeah, he just locked my thread and waited til the next day to take the idea and make his own thread. He also Came in the thread and said I was wrong but yet here we are.

    He could argue that Spotify is different but I’m telling you and anyone reading this, positively, absolutely guaranteed without a shadow of doubt, I PLANTED THE SEED OF THIS IDEA IN HIS HEAD!!! This is MY S*** motherfuckers S*** on me yesterday when I said the same s*** because they were riding Safes d***. Then he says the same s*** I say and the same mfers say oh u a genius SAFE! I get it tho that’s how the game works...

    lmao you definitely made me think about this stuff again so credit to you for that

    This is definitely more of a parallel to ur thread though instead of building on it and w all due respect I have like 3 half finished data models of charts that adjust for playlisting back from mid 2020 and I still wouldn’t have said it was an original thing by me then

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    Mar 13, 2021
    blachaze

    Where did the somewhere around 30% stat come from? Not saying you’re wrong, but where did it come from?

    imma try find you the source cause it’s something I read ages ago and couldn’t be bothered finding again

    I skimmed through this paper and couldn’t see it but it could be in here
    economics.ucdavis.edu/events/papers/515Waldfogel.pdf

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    Mar 13, 2021
    Spring

    Oh you made the record breaking in hip hop thread lol. Why did they lock it lol? You had some points

    he got too angry lol I didn’t lock and was enjoying the discussion but bro was going crazy in there so I get why it got locked

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    Mar 13, 2021
    Bushmanate

    Nice

    Now can u let me have the MSCT in Music please

    No can do unfortunately

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    Mar 13, 2021
    Long Live Minerva


    @safe fixed the charts, now fix the hot 100

    I’m so limited in what I can do data wise

    like I’m not some amazing data a***yst but god I would kill for the REAL data instead of what’s publicly available

    Could do some incredible stuff

  • Mar 13, 2021

    good job safe