How Tf is The Off Season not a Classic and Cole Magnum Opus?

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  • Nov 21, 2024
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    Hunger on the hillside is his best outro I'll tell u that much

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    Prosper

    You saying he's made unlistenable music for the last 15 years?

    yes

  • Nov 21, 2024
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    But it’s FNL, Born Sinner, 2014, The Offseason

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    Cody

    yes

    I don't believe you

  • Nov 21, 2024
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    Its a hard tape. No classic tho.

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    ryuH

    12 tracks

    Every single track is fire

    Production is great on every song

    Lyrics, wordplay, flows, and rhyme schemes fire on every song

    Great song concepts

    Great features

    I don’t understand rap discourse no more lol. If this dropped 10 years ago it would’ve been unanimous. Nowadays yall will say something is trash just because you don’t feel like hearing a nigga voice lol

    "If this dropped 10 years ago it would’ve been unanimous."

    Get the f*** out of here You really think the consensus around this borderline mixtape would change if it were stacked up against albums like TPAB and IYRTITL? Most people don't even consider it better than 2014 FHD and that was Cole 10 years ago

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    ryuH

    This the type of s*** I'm talking about lol

    Ya'll way to conservative for no reason imo. The quality is there, the impact is automatically there because he has one of the biggest fanbases in hip-hop history, there are no skips

    Wtf do you want niggas to do?

    What’s the impact?

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    ryuH

    12 tracks

    Every single track is fire

    Production is great on every song

    Lyrics, wordplay, flows, and rhyme schemes fire on every song

    Great song concepts

    Great features

    I don’t understand rap discourse no more lol. If this dropped 10 years ago it would’ve been unanimous. Nowadays yall will say something is trash just because you don’t feel like hearing a nigga voice lol

    My take is that The Off-Season dropping when it did is why the reception was better than it should’ve been, because it came after a run of stinker albums.

    If The Off-Season had released back in 2015 after FHD, stacked up next to IYRTITL and TPAB, it would’ve been trashed

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    ryuH

    12 tracks

    Every single track is fire

    Production is great on every song

    Lyrics, wordplay, flows, and rhyme schemes fire on every song

    Great song concepts

    Great features

    I don’t understand rap discourse no more lol. If this dropped 10 years ago it would’ve been unanimous. Nowadays yall will say something is trash just because you don’t feel like hearing a nigga voice lol

    I don’t understand rap discourse no more lol

    There is no more discourse, all we have is beef now

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    Hurry Up Fader

    My take is that The Off-Season dropping when it did is why the reception was better than it should’ve been, because it came after a run of stinker albums.

    If The Off-Season had released back in 2015 after FHD, stacked up next to IYRTITL and TPAB, it would’ve been trashed

    Trashed FOR WHAT exactly?

    For having excellent raps and production and arguably being even more consistent and concise than FHD?

    lol yall just be talking man

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    Don't know why the standards have to be dropped for J Cole. First you motherfuckers were trying to say 4YEO is a classic and there's maybe 4 good songs on that b****. Now y'all trying to say The Off Season is a classic even though it's had no impact, no innovation, nothing that really makes it stand out to be ranked with the best works of the genre Y'all need to chill.

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    Ron Mexico

    I don’t understand rap discourse no more lol

    There is no more discourse, all we have is beef now

    Accurate

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    ryuH

    Trashed FOR WHAT exactly?

    For having excellent raps and production and arguably being even more consistent and concise than FHD?

    lol yall just be talking man

    He has a point. If this was Cole's project after 2014 FHD, it would largely be seen as a disappointment. If Kanye were to release MBDTF now, it would be praised even more because of his recent output. Flowerboy is an objectively great album, but it's reception would not have been as great if it dropped after Wolf. But people were already disappointed by Cherry Bomb so it got that boost

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    BlueChew Sean

    He has a point. If this was Cole's project after 2014 FHD, it would largely be seen as a disappointment. If Kanye were to release MBDTF now, it would be praised even more because of his recent output. Flowerboy is an objectively great album, but it's reception would not have been as great if it dropped after Wolf. But people were already disappointed by Cherry Bomb so it got that boost

    I guess man yall entitled to yall opinion but I really just don’t see how The Off Season could ever be viewed as a drastic step down from FHD outside of it having less hits/commercial appeal. The rapping is better, the production is just as good, and it has less skips. Every track on The Off Season clears GOMD and Hello imo, not saying those songs are bad but just saying

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    Kojimbo

    What’s the impact?

    I need an answer to this. Mf said it's automatically there because Cole has a fanbase By that logic, every Drake album is a classic

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    BlueChew Sean

    I need an answer to this. Mf said it's automatically there because Cole has a fanbase By that logic, every Drake album is a classic

    Lmaooo hell nah man impact is just one box to check but yes every Drake album has impact

    When Cole drops a quality project because of his base and his place in the game it’s on auto-impact

    Just like when Nas drops quality it’s auto-impact

    The box is automatically checked

    Now there are other boxes to be checked to achieve classic status for sure

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    BlueChew Sean

    Not everything has to be either bad, mid or a classic. Can't y'all just be at peace if the consensus is that it's a good/great project?

    these discussions are always dumb because everyone has different criteria as to what constitutes a “classic” anyways

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    ryuH

    I guess man yall entitled to yall opinion but I really just don’t see how The Off Season could ever be viewed as a drastic step down from FHD outside of it having less hits/commercial appeal. The rapping is better, the production is just as good, and it has less skips. Every track on The Off Season clears GOMD and Hello imo, not saying those songs are bad but just saying

    5 top 10s on the offseason

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    this is ktt

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    Valentine

    5 top 10s on the offseason

    Exactly

    That’s impact

    They hate to acknowledge people actually listen to this man just because they don’t lmao

    If a 12 song album has no skips, has legendary rapping and production, great song concepts and content, great features, and 5 top 10s how can you sit there with a straight face and tell me that album is not a classic?

    Like logically what is your argument at that point other than “LETS NOT THROW THE WORD CLASSIC AROUND GUYS”

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    ryuH

    Trashed FOR WHAT exactly?

    For having excellent raps and production and arguably being even more consistent and concise than FHD?

    lol yall just be talking man

    For being completely uninteresting and unnecessary.

    It doesn’t say anything interesting, the production is nothing to write home about, it doesn’t try anything creative whatsoever, it’s just a decent rap project with some good-to-great rapping for 40 minutes.

    It would’ve been a complete misfire after what is widely regarded as his best album (FHD). Especially in comparison to what his peers dropped that year: a super entertaining and hard mixtape (IYRTITL), and a thought-provoking, socially relevant concept album (TPAB).

    The reason Off-Season worked after 4YEO and KOD was because people got tired of the flat albums wrapped around concepts and just wanted to hear the nigga rap again, which is what he provided on Off-Season

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    Hurry Up Fader

    For being completely uninteresting and unnecessary.

    It doesn’t say anything interesting, the production is nothing to write home about, it doesn’t try anything creative whatsoever, it’s just a decent rap project with some good-to-great rapping for 40 minutes.

    It would’ve been a complete misfire after what is widely regarded as his best album (FHD). Especially in comparison to what his peers dropped that year: a super entertaining and hard mixtape (IYRTITL), and a thought-provoking, socially relevant concept album (TPAB).

    The reason Off-Season worked after 4YEO and KOD was because people got tired of the flat albums wrapped around concepts and just wanted to hear the nigga rap again, which is what he provided on Off-Season

    Can’t really say anything else other than that I strongly disagree here man

    Like completely different perspective lol

    Also side note its ok to drop a traditionalist rap project that doesn’t take risks sonically just ask Nas

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    ryuH

    This the type of s*** I'm talking about lol

    Ya'll way to conservative for no reason imo. The quality is there, the impact is automatically there because he has one of the biggest fanbases in hip-hop history, there are no skips

    Wtf do you want niggas to do?

    the impact is automatically there because he has one of the biggest fanbases in hip-hop history

    Having a big fanbase doesn’t automatically give your album classic level impact this is insane

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    ryuH

    Exactly

    That’s impact

    They hate to acknowledge people actually listen to this man just because they don’t lmao

    If a 12 song album has no skips, has legendary rapping and production, great song concepts and content, great features, and 5 top 10s how can you sit there with a straight face and tell me that album is not a classic?

    Like logically what is your argument at that point other than “LETS NOT THROW THE WORD CLASSIC AROUND GUYS”

    First week Top 10s from major album drops in the streaming era have little-to-no weight man come on.

    None of those Off-Season songs lasted more than a week in the Top 10.

    The entire album was off the chart completely within two months, with the exception of my life, which hovered in the 60s/70s for a while before dropping off

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    ryuH

    Can’t really say anything else other than that I strongly disagree here man

    Like completely different perspective lol

    Also side note its ok to drop a traditionalist rap project that doesn’t take risks sonically just ask Nas

    Yeah and niggas say Nas hasn’t dropped a classic since his debut, that’s the point

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