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  • tldr they had the vaccine

  • bagool

    tldr they had the vaccine

    Literally within a week, more than 9.5 million people were vaccinated - an unprecedented case in history.

    good luck to the United States of America. Also the point I was trying to make was under the "Unprecedented Measures" section of the article.

  • bagool

    tldr they had the vaccine

    N**** really made a Russian propaganda thread about a disease with a vaccine.
    Where they solved a problem with mass vaccination (In a literal Authoritarian government)... With boots on the ground epidemiologists who literally do the same thing in almost every country...

    And this article was made this month most likely in response to a Novel Virus without a vaccine...

    Bruh, these commie posters are something else. Why even s*** the USSRs d*** like this lmao

  • boy he owned them fanatical socialists

  • KuntaKinte

    N**** really made a Russian propaganda thread about a disease with a vaccine.
    Where they solved a problem with mass vaccination (In a literal Authoritarian government)... With boots on the ground epidemiologists who literally do the same thing in almost every country...

    And this article was made this month most likely in response to a Novel Virus without a vaccine...

    Bruh, these commie posters are something else. Why even s*** the USSRs d*** like this lmao

    :​ :​

  • Legitimately the dumbest thread ever made on this website and there have been a whole lot of them in the mere few months it has existed

  • Brodies didn't even read the article

  • bagool

    tldr they had the vaccine

    idk what the author of this article thought he was doing when he was writing this

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    KuntaKinte

    N**** really made a Russian propaganda thread about a disease with a vaccine.
    Where they solved a problem with mass vaccination (In a literal Authoritarian government)... With boots on the ground epidemiologists who literally do the same thing in almost every country...

    And this article was made this month most likely in response to a Novel Virus without a vaccine...

    Bruh, these commie posters are something else. Why even s*** the USSRs d*** like this lmao

    Explain to me why every country right now, especially in the global north, is implementing socialist policies to save their governments from collapsing (free housing to the displaced, rent relief, bill exemption for all, free access to healthcare... etc.) Or how a virus exposed all the injustice within the capitalist system that governments now are trying so hard to solve all of a sudden.

    Not only are you brainwashed, but you’re also blind to everything that’s happening around you. Capitalism is in an emergency mode and the only policies that these governments are putting in place to save it from further in damage is socialist and/or communist policies.

    It’s game over for capitalism

  • stingray

    Explain to me why every country right now, especially in the global north, is implementing socialist policies to save their governments from collapsing (free housing to the displaced, rent relief, bill exemption for all, free access to healthcare... etc.) Or how a virus exposed all the injustice within the capitalist system that governments now are trying so hard to solve all of a sudden.

    Not only are you brainwashed, but you’re also blind to everything that’s happening around you. Capitalism is in an emergency mode and the only policies that these governments are putting in place to save it from further in damage is socialist and/or communist policies.

    It’s game over for capitalism

    Expanded welfare isn’t “socialist policies” in any actual system changing way. Otto von Bismarck enacted socialist policies in an attempt to appeal to the working class and eliminate popular belief in actual socialism, same as FDR. When the government was heavily involved in the economy during ww2, it wasn’t seen as a transition to socialism because they were emergency efforts, just like now. Actual socialism would be if the US temporarily nationalized every company or something. Even with all these worker relief programs, the economy is still more reliant on market factors than planning. If this actually was a socialist society, there word still be a massive disruption in peoples lives as the planning for certain consumer goods would be thrown out of loop, leading to an even larger shortage in the future than normal. Capitalism isn’t going anywhere, at least not for a very long time

  • Enpax

    Expanded welfare isn’t “socialist policies” in any actual system changing way. Otto von Bismarck enacted socialist policies in an attempt to appeal to the working class and eliminate popular belief in actual socialism, same as FDR. When the government was heavily involved in the economy during ww2, it wasn’t seen as a transition to socialism because they were emergency efforts, just like now. Actual socialism would be if the US temporarily nationalized every company or something. Even with all these worker relief programs, the economy is still more reliant on market factors than planning. If this actually was a socialist society, there word still be a massive disruption in peoples lives as the planning for certain consumer goods would be thrown out of loop, leading to an even larger shortage in the future than normal. Capitalism isn’t going anywhere, at least not for a very long time

    Welfare in general is outside of capitalism’s scope. It has for a long time suppressed the role of the state to care for the commons and populations, all stemming from the assumption that the market can provide better solutions to populations as consisting of “customers.” This is especially true with neoliberalism, where the market must be fully independent from the state and its interventions. Right now, however, you see the market fully collapsing in some of what used to be its healthiest sectors, but states aren’t bailing out firms as much as they are working to secure the welfare of their populations IN A PLEA to sustain themselves. This wasn’t the case in 2008, this wasn’t the case in the Great Depression neither.

    And I don’t agree with your distinction between actual socialist policies vs. expanded welfare. The general premise of capitalism is that it’s a system of absolute accumulation and extraction of wealth. For it to function properly, it must create poverty and leave access to wealth uneven, whether at home or elsewhere. This has been suspended for the last two weeks. Spain has nationalised its private health sector in a bid to contain the outbreak; Italy nationalised its airlines in a bid to save a major arm of its economy. States are incurring detrimental losses to battle the outbreak.

    And about the future of capitalism, I think that the homeless people situation is quite telling of where we are heading. You give rough sleepers and homeless people free housing and food during the outbreak then put them out to the streets when this is over? Riots will ensue. Also, people will lose their jobs and blame it on the states’ failure to address the outbreak when it first sparked in December-January. Capitalism will stop extracting wealth from its populations for a long time, until bankruptcy becomes the norm.

  • stingray

    Welfare in general is outside of capitalism’s scope. It has for a long time suppressed the role of the state to care for the commons and populations, all stemming from the assumption that the market can provide better solutions to populations as consisting of “customers.” This is especially true with neoliberalism, where the market must be fully independent from the state and its interventions. Right now, however, you see the market fully collapsing in some of what used to be its healthiest sectors, but states aren’t bailing out firms as much as they are working to secure the welfare of their populations IN A PLEA to sustain themselves. This wasn’t the case in 2008, this wasn’t the case in the Great Depression neither.

    And I don’t agree with your distinction between actual socialist policies vs. expanded welfare. The general premise of capitalism is that it’s a system of absolute accumulation and extraction of wealth. For it to function properly, it must create poverty and leave access to wealth uneven, whether at home or elsewhere. This has been suspended for the last two weeks. Spain has nationalised its private health sector in a bid to contain the outbreak; Italy nationalised its airlines in a bid to save a major arm of its economy. States are incurring detrimental losses to battle the outbreak.

    And about the future of capitalism, I think that the homeless people situation is quite telling of where we are heading. You give rough sleepers and homeless people free housing and food during the outbreak then put them out to the streets when this is over? Riots will ensue. Also, people will lose their jobs and blame it on the states’ failure to address the outbreak when it first sparked in December-January. Capitalism will stop extracting wealth from its populations for a long time, until bankruptcy becomes the norm.

    Neoliberalism does not believe that the market must be completely independent from government control, that’s libertarianism. European countries are completely filled with welfare yet are still solidly capitalist. The Nordic countries have high taxes and strict controls over their labor markets, but the general market factors are still even more free than America’s in some regards, with an even lower corporate income tax. In the aftermath of the Great Depression, government spending was massively increased to give workers government jobs, which is directly to help the regular population over companies.

    Capitalism does require uneven wealth, but that doesn’t mean poverty. It is perfectly possible for even the poorest to maintain a style of living comparable to the middle class while the richest still have almost all the money. In the past 20 years, absolute poverty in the third world has significantly decreased, particularly in india and China. This has not coincided with a drop in living standards in the west, in fact the richest have only gotten richer. European counties nationalizing certain industries are once again probably emergency measures, and they’ll probably be privatized again when this is all over.

    Homeless people have had food and shelter given to them and stripped away time and time over the past century, yet no actual revolution that changed the system has started because of it. People will lose their jobs then get new ones when companies feel safe to hire again. Once again, during ww2, the governments of America and Europe took very large control over their economies for the wartime effort, just for that control to be eased when the war was over. The steps that governments are taking now is to ease any future recessions or depressions, when the crisis is over and there’s no economic downturn, most of the economic assistance and nationalization’s will be eventually reversed. It’s not like this hasn’t happened before or won’t happen again

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    stingray

    Explain to me why every country right now, especially in the global north, is implementing socialist policies to save their governments from collapsing (free housing to the displaced, rent relief, bill exemption for all, free access to healthcare... etc.) Or how a virus exposed all the injustice within the capitalist system that governments now are trying so hard to solve all of a sudden.

    Not only are you brainwashed, but you’re also blind to everything that’s happening around you. Capitalism is in an emergency mode and the only policies that these governments are putting in place to save it from further in damage is socialist and/or communist policies.

    It’s game over for capitalism

    Because its a pandemic? What you do in times of emergency doesn't necessarily mean you should be doing them 24/7. Like yeah, I guess capitalism falls apart when people literally can't go to work because of a pandemic. I guess...

    This isn't even relevant to what the thread was originally about.

    Also are there even people in existence who propose a pure capitalistic system with no socialist policies? Like their are Capitalist countries who have universal healthcare systems in place right now.

  • stingray

    Explain to me why every country right now, especially in the global north, is implementing socialist policies to save their governments from collapsing (free housing to the displaced, rent relief, bill exemption for all, free access to healthcare... etc.) Or how a virus exposed all the injustice within the capitalist system that governments now are trying so hard to solve all of a sudden.

    Not only are you brainwashed, but you’re also blind to everything that’s happening around you. Capitalism is in an emergency mode and the only policies that these governments are putting in place to save it from further in damage is socialist and/or communist policies.

    It’s game over for capitalism

  • KuntaKinte

    Because its a pandemic? What you do in times of emergency doesn't necessarily mean you should be doing them 24/7. Like yeah, I guess capitalism falls apart when people literally can't go to work because of a pandemic. I guess...

    This isn't even relevant to what the thread was originally about.

    Also are there even people in existence who propose a pure capitalistic system with no socialist policies? Like their are Capitalist countries who have universal healthcare systems in place right now.

    Capitalism is a failure and it's going to get worse.

    Socialism is natural. Who are the people keeping the world running right now? The workers.

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    Niobe

    Capitalism is a failure and it's going to get worse.

    Socialism is natural. Who are the people keeping the world running right now? The workers.

    The last time you quoted me you said some whack statements about the sources I used.

    And then you posted a link with the source I stressed upon using listed on the same site and never came back.

    Now you wanna quote me to make crazyman socialism post.

    I want a "Sorry Sir, your source usage was fine" before I ever respond to another one of your arguments King. :​

  • KuntaKinte

    N**** really made a Russian propaganda thread about a disease with a vaccine.
    Where they solved a problem with mass vaccination (In a literal Authoritarian government)... With boots on the ground epidemiologists who literally do the same thing in almost every country...

    And this article was made this month most likely in response to a Novel Virus without a vaccine...

    Bruh, these commie posters are something else. Why even s*** the USSRs d*** like this lmao

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