In that while a few select tracks sound good, they're not actually anything groundbreaking and certainly not a new genre despite what young and clueless stans will tell you.

Yesterday somebody put me on to this Britney Spears song that sounds exactly like a modern Charli XCX / Sophie song - except it was made 13 years ago.

This wasn't some niche track either, it's an album cut off Femme Fatale (2011) which went platinum in the US. You'll find quite a few 2000s-2010s tracks like this, which just goes to show that the PC Music sound wasn't really anything new when it came out. Same thing for more abrasive 100 Gecs esque stuff, it was already being done in the 2010s by amateur autotune pop artists like Farrah Abraham.

Most hyperpop and PC Music adjacent artists will freely admit their roots and inspirations ofc (just like phonk producers), it's the stans who push the delusional narrative about it being something wholly unprecedented in the world of pop music.

What would it sound like if sgp and Sophie worked on a track

Phonk (excluding most Drift Phonk, which in itself is a rabbit hole I won't get into) is actually good tho

no, it isn't

still a weird comparison in OP tho bc what gets called "phonk" doesn't rlly even sound like SGP or three6 mafia beyond the use of distorted memphis samples.

Ja Rule is POP music

this is just Charli's sound not all of PC music

v forward thinking song anyway

that song's actually hard wtf the chorus pleasantly surprised me

farrah abraham ?

might be cooking

I feel you but just because they’re not original doesn’t mean it can’t become a genre

Part of something becoming a genre is just a sound becoming more pervasive or a scene building around it

Yes these weird pop songs existed but they weren’t really looked at with the same artistic lens as it is now

The hyperpop movement retroactively changed the way we hear this stuff because it repurposed the sound and made new associations for it.

Phonk is a little different and I think it’s less innovative and less impactful as a whole, but similarly it’s not really about it being a whole new sound, but a new scene and aesthetic building around a sound that existed. Obviously people acting like it’s brand new would be silly because it’s kind of a “retro genre” but it still counts, kind of like vaporwave is just certain types of 80s-90s music but it wasn’t called that until tumblr kids made a scene around it

Punk started as a throwback to early rock and roll, musically it was nothing new and you can go back to the 60s and find “proto punk” songs. but it was the associations, aesthetic and ethos that made it its own genre

Thank you for making this thread. That Farrah Abraham album is so weird and haunting. Super fascinating.

The question of intention is always there with these weird cases of outsider pop. I'm not sure how much it really matters in the end, though. If it's a vibe, it's a vibe. Farrah's delivery throughout that album is so a-rhythmic, patchy, and dissonant. Almost reminds me of early Young Thug, while obviously having strong similarities to later Hyperpop

alr bro

hyperPOP is influenced by POP? say it ain’t so

wait i was fried i missed ur parentheses,,

the only phonk i know is the s*** SGP was on and then u got the tiktok drift phonk. and everytime i see phonk, if it isnt SGP himself it's drift phonk..

so wtf is phonk excluding drift phonk? what does that sound like?

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the mixtape guy? he makes music? pmo lol

i mean yeah charli and kim cite blackout as a main influence frequently

u can see artists in that lane biting blackout, circus, and femme fatale to this day

i think this says more to britneys influence than anything cuz u have other artists like rina sawayama and others making y2k britney esque jams too influenced from the britney albums before blackout

also RIP SOPHIE

pc music was definitely a unique lane tho it was innovative thats y u had mfs like madonna and gaga cooking w sophie

they call this phonk?

just sound like cloud rap to me tbh

are we just calling anything that samples rap vocals phonk?

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