exactly him being black doesn't erase all that.....
him loving music and working his ass off to make good art doesn't erase all that

same way Ye being a weirdo isnt erased by making good music even if vultures and vultures 2 were MBDTF it doesnt erase the last few years

so if he was saying some judgemental s*** in interviews of how another artist carried themselves or their music it would still be like

"nigga you arent the one who should be delivering that message"

the market of streaming music is largely to blame yes....

this is again the album cover of the man you are taking seriously

I'm ngl, it's hard to take songs like Manifesto and his recent interviews seriously knowing his past Like you said in another post, his whole rebrand and coming out felt like to avoid being cancelled in the current social media age

Love Flower Boy, Igor and CMIYGL but he irks me as a person

tell me how Ian wants you to take him seriously with that album cover

this is budden yachty all over again

Tyler rebranded with flower boy and some of y'all are talking crazy man

most of Tyler's popular work up to Goblin was still gimmicky af bro cmon

like they just see my name and like to act like I don't know what the f*** I am talking about lol

I've only heard the Yachty collab that just dropped with him TBH

I'm moreso speaking about how people are bringing up old Tyler as a way of saying he can't speak on this, when he was still actively taking his music seriously even then (Goblin is still ass though)

Not saying he didn't put effort into it or have serious songs. even the song I linked had a part at the end that fit into Goblin's ongoing narrative

"I've only heard the Yachty collab that just dropped with him TBH"

He's a new person!

You said I'm taking Ian seriously with that album cover, I legit have just heard of this dude lmao

I'm talking about how people are trying to bring up Tyler's past work as a way of saying he can't speak on this

He's always been serious about music even with that past material, it's not the same thing

I have found a lot of people in this section cant hold an actual discussion it becomes "you are wrong " "L" "bullshit" or a smiley even when typing full paragraphs explaining perspective they will hang on one word in a sentence and try to use it to invalidate point

Because its just a lot of bad faith discussions on here often honestly with people that weren't alive with 09/11 happened, were like 8 when spotify dropped, have never booted up limewire or purchased a physical cd in store

so sometimes I entertain it but I recognize they just going to be difficult because they like to argue more than they like to hear a different discussion or process new information or a new point of view

He was still being himself, isn't the main topic that Ian is making music that isn't really who he is? Lol

If you haven't heard Ian work, you havent heard the album. you are missing a key part of what is needed to understand the topic of the thread. The thread isn't just about tyler nor was that ever my point.

Lone is a very moving and wonderfully composed song about Tyler's grandmother's death. But it's also preceded on the Wolf tracklist by Tamale

There were always glimpses but Flowerboy and beyond Tyler is completely different from B******-Wolf Tyler with CB being the awkward middle child

I do believe people can grow and change but I know he’s still that same pretentious a****** deep down, he just knows he can’t say how he truly feels

Exactly and my point has been more than calling out the Ians spend that time big upping the people in the game that are what you want from the genre.

He loves Lupe Fiasco, billie ellish and more .

I am saying calling out ian gets controversy and goes viral but the same people aren't listening to him when he breaks down music he loves

THANK YOU

They say I've calmed down since the last album
Well, lick my d***, how does that sound? Um
Smell my gooch, you could kiss my buns
And I don't give a s***, bend my rectum

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck?
If a woodchuck could ever give a f***?
B**** suck d***, motherfuck you and your opinions (can you kick it?)

How many f**s can a lightbulb screw?
Well if it has a d***, maybe two or six

Little RedTube, f*** lotion, I don't need lube, dry fist suits me
Up and down, friction make a sound, s***'s kind of disgusting
Fap time and before I flatline, Clancy chimes in my room and catch me

"Taking the music seriously" Bro called Spike Lee the hard r on this song too, can't blame people for looking at Tyler side eyed because he wants to be pro-black now

i blame non 90's gen z that ian even got relevancy

B****** is really good tbh it’s got some cringe and bad moments but overall it’s pretty damn vulnerable and heartfelt. Goblin is a gimmicky ass album

That’s only 3 years of the 90s I lump yall in with that too